mark webber, manly man

mansellmania · 8 Jan 2004, 17:02 (Ref:831756)

Webber intervieuwed in last weeks autosport on people comparing him with schumachers attitude towards racing:

"
michael is an absolutely phenomenal force in our sport.Hes done everything, and there are a lot of drivers who'd be stupid to say they cant learn from what he's done.The guys who say they dont respect him, they kid themselves- i look up to what he's achieved..... what he packed into the middle of his career has been amazing.Its the ethic really, and if you can only try to get near to what he's done then thats great.Im talking about off track as well as on-track.He's very patient, and all that thats thrown in front of his face... the demands are huge."

it is a nice intervieuw, very down to earth guy not fazed or jealous on the fact guys like button/alonso/montoya/kimi being hyped and he'l just get a huge amount of job satisfaction doing what he does at jaguar.

down to earth battler is what the writer of that article said.I have to agree with that.

Redblurr · 8 Jan 2004, 17:15 (Ref:831764)

Yes Webber is a good guy - and when he nails it he nails it! Focused man - let's hope he gets a top drive soon.

BootsOntheSide · 8 Jan 2004, 17:56 (Ref:831809)

Claiming that Schumacher's 'ethic' is something to 'try to get near to' seems ridiculous. Mark appears guilty of fanboy worship here, unable to see that luck, dubious racing practices and timing have played a part in Schumacher's success. No doubting that he's a great driver, but I wouldn't advise looking up to him.

Why should he be jealous of those other drivers regarding the hype issue? Excessive hype nearly ruined Jenson, and the media vultures are surely waiting for slip-ups from the others. Mark may not have got his F1 chance ahead of Justin were he not Australian (and thus yielded great publicity opportunities for Stoddart) so he should realise that it works both ways.

DaveOrama · 8 Jan 2004, 19:00 (Ref:831873)

I agree there are some aspects of Shueys ethic which could be improved a lot, however, for the most part it is something to look at and emulate (in some areas).

Yes, wasn't Stoddart lucky in Melbourne - Webber's first race. But you grab your chance when you get it - Mark is still driving an F1 car and Justin isn't.

Mark Webber · 8 Jan 2004, 20:20 (Ref:831942)

I've meet Mark and his a down to earth guy with an eyes on the prize attitude . Mark is a complete driver which is more than can be said about alot of current GP drivers

Mr V · 8 Jan 2004, 21:41 (Ref:832025)

Just out of interest (and i'm not saying i disagree with you) but define "complete driver" for me.

mansellmania · 8 Jan 2004, 22:43 (Ref:832092)

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Adamashmore wrote:Your intention was (as all your posts are) to bash the same magazine.

uhm okay

R · 8 Jan 2004, 22:59 (Ref:832106)

Sheesh, Mansellmania, why don't you stop acting like a spoilt brat and start acting like a grown up - then maybe you will be treated like one.

Wrex · 8 Jan 2004, 23:02 (Ref:832110)

Dont worry R, my crystal ball predicts this to be a very 'short-term' problem

If only it could pick lotto numbers this well

**Adam43** · 8 Jan 2004, 23:07 (Ref:832116)

A shame really, because this was a good thread.

Mark Webber is indeed turning into a top notch driver. And he's doing it a manner that is confident and considered. If only we could get him into a top team. However he is doing a fantastic job where he is.

It is too early to tell whether he is the next Schumacher (can anyone be the next Schumacher?), but it is looking good.

By the way there was a decent thread on this about a week ago http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=48080 (just in case something happens to this one).

Mark Webber · 8 Jan 2004, 23:49 (Ref:832159)

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Originally posted by Mr V
Just out of interest (and i'm not saying i disagree with you) but define "complete driver" for me.

a good team player with speed and with very good tech feedback and driver that can look beyond the pettie and focus's on the job at hand . but as a plus a driver /person who can build a team up . IMO

garcon · 8 Jan 2004, 23:53 (Ref:832163)

What could possibly happen to this thread?

I thought it started well too - a positive story about an F1 driver, for a change.

Boots, you know I'm biased

, but I really think you're a bit harsh on Michael. I realise some people don't like him much, but surely there are some elements of his success - his work ethic, his dedication and so on - that other drivers should look to for inspiration... he's not all bad!

mansellmania · 9 Jan 2004, 00:02 (Ref:832168)

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Originally posted by AdamAshmore
A shame really, because this was a good thread.

Mark Webber is indeed turning into a top notch driver. And he's doing it a manner that is confident and considered. If only we could get him into a top team. However he is doing a fantastic job where he is.

It is too early to tell whether he is the next Schumacher (can anyone be the next Schumacher?), but it is looking good.

By the way there was a decent thread on this about a week ago http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=48080 (just in case something happens to this one).

Allright i was wrong to quote something from another thread and apologise for that.

Hope you can remove my particular off topic post.

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Why should he be jealous of those other drivers regarding the hype issue? Excessive hype nearly ruined Jenson

err Apologise again for the confusion.. the article about webber started funnily enough with the question why webber AND button are forgotten in the ype surrounding lonso/kimi/JPM.

The comparisment vs shumi was more with the total fitness regime Webber seems to put himself under.
I think the times he showed on formula1.com ( live timing ) webber was stunning.
A bit like kimi but then in a jag and sometimes faster than kimi.

**Adam43** · 9 Jan 2004, 00:04 (Ref:832171)

To be fair Boots, it isn't really what Mark is saying. I think Mark is looking at all the positives about Schumacher's work ethic. Which is second to none in F1. He is the driver that conistently gives it his all. In testing, practice, race, with the team and even with his family.

Mark Webber · 9 Jan 2004, 00:20 (Ref:832180)

Agreed Adam

M Schumacher has been regarded as the fitest driver in F1 for some time know but I would think that title/honuor would NOW belong to Mark

GT-Vixen · 9 Jan 2004, 05:34 (Ref:832319)

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Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
Claiming that Schumacher's 'ethic' is something to 'try to get near to' seems ridiculous. Mark appears guilty of fanboy worship here, unable to see that luck, dubious racing practices and timing have played a part in Schumacher's success. No doubting that he's a great driver, but I wouldn't advise looking up to him.

Why should he be jealous of those other drivers regarding the hype issue? Excessive hype nearly ruined Jenson, and the media vultures are surely waiting for slip-ups from the others. Mark may not have got his F1 chance ahead of Justin were he not Australian (and thus yielded great publicity opportunities for Stoddart) so he should realise that it works both ways.

In 6 World Championship titles of course there is going to be some amount of luck taking part, but if it only took luck we would be seeing more F1 drivers with 6 world championships to their name. It takes a huge amount of talent, and of course a fantastic car, and hard working team. F1 is a team sport and honestly I'm sick of people putting down MS because he has been blessed with a great team, which has enabled him to win so very much. He almost always thanks the team and doesn't hide just how very much a team effort it really is. If you're going to put down MS for the luck he has had you might as well put down over 500 other people who work for Ferrari, because they have as much to do with the luck as him.

Media hype is apart of F1, that's never going to change. Maybe Mark should look up to MS simply for the fact he deals with media hype extreamly well. Oh and bootontheside, maybe you should trust Marks judgement, and other people who have actually met MS, unless you have also?

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I've meet Mark and his a down to earth guy with an eyes on the prize attitude . Mark is a complete driver which is more than can be said about alot of current GP drivers

Same, I have met him a few times and he's a great guy. I have also met Jenson and he was just as great, very friendly and happy to chat and have a laugh.

climb · 9 Jan 2004, 07:30 (Ref:832384)

Boots,
Every great driver had discutable ethic moves, from time to time, and Senna is on the top of the list; and to say that certain practices influenced MS career is like claiming that, for instance, senna won the 1990 title at the first corner at Suzuka.
Ok, twas a bad move, but he mainly won in the previous 15 races IMO.
The same for MS.
In some particular (and decisive) races he did odd manoeuvres to get the gold, but if he was in a position to do, well, it's thanks to the excellent performances of the previous races.
Thus I find your analisys ungenerous.

Mr V · 9 Jan 2004, 07:53 (Ref:832394)

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Originally posted by Mark Webber

M Schumacher has been regarded as the fitest driver in F1 for some time know but I would think that title/honuor would NOW belong to Mark

He certainly is one fit cookie, thats for sure. I remember a couple of years ago he did stuff for charity, riding from Lands End to John O'Grotes i believe it was (although, didn't Jenson acheive the same thing with him?)

However, being the fittest isn't everything.

Montoya is not generally regarded as being especially fit (in comparison to other drivers, fitter than most of us though i'd imagine

) but when was the last time we saw him so exhausted he wasn't able to get out of the car?

(BTW, DC has generally been regarded as being as fit as Michael for a number of years now too

)

Gt_R · 9 Jan 2004, 08:48 (Ref:832422)

Amd the point is?

mansellmania · 9 Jan 2004, 10:00 (Ref:832444)

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Originally posted by Mr V

Montoya is not generally regarded as being especially fit (in comparison to other drivers, fitter than most of us though i'd imagine ) (BTW, DC has generally been regarded as being as fit as Michael for a number of years now too )

That is mildly put.. Frank Williams told juan to ' shape up' and has constantly reminded people of the high fitness level michael has brought into the sport.

Didnt DC hire his own special forces trainer and jenson button?

Mr V · 9 Jan 2004, 10:17 (Ref:832459)

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Originally posted by mansellmania
That is mildly put.. Frank Williams told juan to ' shape up' and has constantly reminded people of the high fitness level michael has brought into the sport.

But when was the last time Juan Pablo got out of the car totally knackard? Sir Frank might have a point if he did.

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Originally posted by mansellmania

Didnt DC hire his own special forces trainer and jenson button?

I didn't realise that DC had hired Jenson Button

mansellmania · 9 Jan 2004, 10:22 (Ref:832466)

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Originally posted by Mr V
But when was the last time Juan Pablo got out of the car totally knackard? Sir Frank might have a point if he did.

I didn't realise that DC had hired Jenson Button

hehehe

Seriously if you see that great ( puke ) movie driven?? you see that monty was a bit overweight, now im being mildl

He did lose some weight but still looks kinda square vs Der Ralf.

Havent seen him that much knackered but i havent seen him push a whole race either.

Gt_R · 9 Jan 2004, 10:25 (Ref:832472)

Fitness is something that has become of huge importance to drivers, and teams realised that. Renault had a whole centre set up devoted to drivers' training, and even Ferrari made their employees work out (if memory serves me correct).

I agree that Juan Pablo is fit for racing. Hardly does he look like a drenched duck after a race. It's the natural fitness he has to drive without exceeding his body's abilities... something like what army terms as "combat fitness". However, i do believe that fitness training would help JPM, not harm, in terms of increased levels of performance, and hence not ought to be overlooked. I'm sure he does train doesn't he? I'd be pretty disappointed if he assumes a "heck-care" attitude. It's all about maximising every bit of one's potential.

Mr V · 9 Jan 2004, 10:28 (Ref:832478)

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Originally posted by mansellmania

Seriously if you see that great ( puke ) movie driven?? you see that monty was a bit overweight, now im being mildl

For the first time i actually agree with you, Driven was puke. Sure JPM may have been a bit overweight, but it didn't stop him winning the CART championship in his rookie year or the Indy 500 at his rookie attempt.

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Originally posted by mansellmania

Havent seen him that much knackered but i havent seen him push a whole race either.

How about Monaco 2003 for starters?

mansellmania · 9 Jan 2004, 10:33 (Ref:832482)

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Originally posted by Mr V
For the first time i actually agree with you, Driven was puke. Sure JPM may have been a bit overweight, but it didn't stop him winning the CART championship in his rookie year or the Indy 500 at his rookie attempt.

How about Monaco 2003 for starters?

I'd be hanging out in mcdonalds all day too if i had to drive vs michael andretti and paul tracy

MOnaco was a good drive under pressure,but beinga track where u cant really overake i still see that as doing a bernoldi.. 46 laps keepinga mclaren at bay in some arrows...

anyway i think mark webber will dice it out with monty one day and lets see if he is not knackered then.

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