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5 Jun 2004, 15:38 (Ref:994747)
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Grid for race - After WET qualifying session
(Albers & Ekström set their times on slicks) 1 - C Albers - HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse 2 - M Ekström - Red Bull Abt Audi A4 DTM 3 - J Alesi - HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse 4 - P Dumbreck - OPC Phoenix Opel Vectra GTS 5 - B Schneider - HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse 6 - T Scheider - OPC Holzer Opel Vectra GTS 7 - G Paffett - HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse 8 - M Reuter - OPC Holzer Opel Vectra GTS 9 - M Fassler - OPC Phoenix Opel Vectra GTS 10 - C Abt - Team Abt Audi A4 DTM 11 - E Pirro - Joest Audi Audi A4 DTM 12 - L Aiello - OPC Phoenix Opel Vectra GTS 13 - M Winkelhock - Original-Teile AMG-Mercedes CLK 14 - H Frentzen - OPC Holzer Opel Vectra GTS 15 - J Janis - Dark Dog AMG-Mercedes CLK 16 - S Mücke - Original-Teile AMG-Mercedes CLK 17 - B Mayländer - Sonax Dark Dog AMG-Mercedes CLK 18 - T Kristensen - Team Abt Audi A4 DTM 19 - F Biela - Joest Audi Audi A4 DTM 20 - J Bleekemolen - OPC Euroteam Opel Astra V8 Coupé 21 - M Tomczyk - Red Bull Abt Audi A4 DTM (Not that the timing screens appear to have been in any way reliable today!). |
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5 Jun 2004, 18:06 (Ref:994814)
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good to see Biela doing well.
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5 Jun 2004, 19:15 (Ref:994872)
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Nah mate, the higher the numbers, the WORSE the result
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5 Jun 2004, 20:06 (Ref:994912)
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whats the deal with Tomczyk?
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5 Jun 2004, 20:28 (Ref:994926)
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Maybe he can't drive on rain, unlike Alesi.
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5 Jun 2004, 21:05 (Ref:994967)
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For some reason Tomcyzk didn't run in the last few minutes of the (first) session. Since the circuit was getting faster with each minute, that pretty much condemned him to the back.
Alesi - yes, the wet weather master - the fastest guy on wets! Unfortunately mother nature dictates dry is faster. Hope the race is wet. Top 10 turnaround - 4 Mercs, 4 Opel's - only 2 Audi's! |
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5 Jun 2004, 23:54 (Ref:995055)
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any chance of an opel win
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6 Jun 2004, 15:35 (Ref:995384)
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Result: Another win for Paffett!
1. Gary Paffett HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse 1hours 02mins 48.388secs 37 laps 2. Mattias Ekström Audi Sport Team Abt Sportsline Audi A4 DTM +1.160s 3. Christijan Albers HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse +1.468s 4. Bernd Schneider HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse +2.391s 5. Laurent Aiello OPC Team Phoenix Opel Vectra GTS V8 +5.656s 6. Jean Alesi HWA AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse +6.920s 7. Emanuele Pirro Audi Sport Infineon Team Joest Audi A4 DTM +29.785s 8. Marcel Fässler OPC Team Phoenix Opel Vectra GTS V8 +35.248s 9. Manuel Reuter OPC Team Holzer Opel Vectra GTS V8 +35.650s 10. Christian Abt Audi Sport Team Abt Sportsline Audi A4 DTM +42.825s 11. Tom Kristensen Audi Sport Team Abt Sportsline Audi A4 DTM +43.136s 12. Peter Dumbreck OPC Team Phoenix Opel Vectra GTS V8 +45.529s 13. Frank Biela Audi Sport Infineon Team Joest Audi A4 DTM +49.816s 14. Markus Winkelhock Persson AMG-Mercedes CLK +58.223s 15. Martin Tomczyk Audi Sport Team Abt Sportsline Audi A4 DTM +1m 08.772s 16. Jarek Janis Rosberg AMG-Mercedes CLK +1m 09.281s 17. Timo Scheider OPC Team Holzer Opel Vectra GTS V8 +1m 10.386s 18. Jeroen Bleekemolen OPC Euroteam Opel Astra V8 Coupé +1m 34.591s 19. Stefan Mücke Persson AMG-Mercedes CLK +24 laps 20. Heinz-Harald Frentzen OPC Team Holzer Opel Vectra GTS V8 +32 laps 21. Bernd Mayländer Rosberg AMG-Mercedes CLK 0 laps completed |
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6 Jun 2004, 15:48 (Ref:995391)
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Excellent win for Gary.
Good racing between Albers & Ekstrom... Dull racing from Scheider & Tomczyk, the commentators may have over-done it a bit, but we were watching nothing happen for a very long time! Nice work by Aiello again to climb up to 5th. Looks like these three (Albers, Paffett & Ekstrom) are going to run away with it this year. |
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6 Jun 2004, 17:17 (Ref:995419)
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That was a great race again between Paffet,Ekstrom and Albers
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6 Jun 2004, 18:46 (Ref:995450)
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there is a protest running against Paffett
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6 Jun 2004, 19:20 (Ref:995468)
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Paffet diqualified because he had less then 1.5 L petrol in his car.
Result: 1. M. Ekström Audi 37 1:02.49,548 2. C. Albers Mercedes 37 + 0.00,308 3. B. Schneider Mercedes 37 + 0.01,231 4. L. Aiello Opel 37 + 0.04,496 5. J. Alesi Mercedes 37 + 0.05,760 6. E. Pirro Audi 37 + 0.28,625 7. M. Fässler Opel 37 + 0.34,490 8. M. Reuter Opel 37 + 0.34,490 9. C. Abt Audi 37 + 0.41,665 10. T. Kristensen Audi 37 + 0.41,976 11. P. Dumbreck Opel 37 + 0.44,369 12. F. Biela Audi 37 + 0.48,656 13. M. Winkelhock Mercedes 37 + 0.57,063 14. M. Tomczyk Audi 37 + 1.07,612 15. J. Janis Mercedes 37 + 1.08,058 16. T. Scheider Opel 37 + 1.09,226 17. J. Bleekemolen Opel 37 + 1.33,431 18. S. Mücke Mercedes 13 - 19. H. Frentzen Opel 5 - 20. B. Mayländer Mercedes 0 - 21. G. Paffett Mercedes 0 Championship 1. C. Albers Mercedes 34 8 10 8 8 2. M. Ekström Audi 34 6 8 10 10 3. G. Paffett Mercedes 15 10 5 4. J. Alesi Mercedes 12 2 6 4 5. M. Tomczyk Audi 11 4 6 1 6. T. Kristensen Audi 10 5 5 7. B. Schneider Mercedes 10 4 6 8. L. Aiello Opel 9 1 3 5 9. T. Scheider Opel 8 1 3 4 10. E. Pirro Audi 5 2 3 11. P. Dumbreck Opel 3 3 12. S. Mücke Mercedes 2 2 13. M. Fässler Opel 2 2 14. M. Reuter Opel 1 1 |
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6 Jun 2004, 20:09 (Ref:995487)
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what a shame! I don't know what happened...by the sounds of it, it sounds as if the car just dumped the remaining fuel onto the track on Paffett's slowing down lap? Any reason's from Merc HQ on this? Is Paffett going to appeal or is it pointless?
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6 Jun 2004, 20:09 (Ref:995488)
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No kidding. He had 0 ltrs of petrol - he ran out of fuel on the slowing down lap!
Surely if there was a rule like that (not saying there isn't) - why did they even go through the podium procedure!? Last edited by Hazard; 6 Jun 2004 at 20:11. |
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6 Jun 2004, 20:13 (Ref:995493)
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There has to be 1.5 litres to measure after the race so the fule is according to the rules.
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6 Jun 2004, 20:17 (Ref:995496)
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So there wasn't a problem with the car? Just an error from the Merc team on Paffett's car?
I bet Paffett is extremely p***ed off to see a win go just like that! |
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6 Jun 2004, 20:19 (Ref:995500)
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Strange. I'm not disputing the rule - or the disqualification. Just, it's irratting watching a podium when the result is false.
If there had to be 1.5 litres of fuel - then the fact Paffett had run out of fuel, means clearly his race was over - and he hadn't won when it happened - what were the five hours to work out? Never mind. Shame really. Ekstrom the first double winner this year then. |
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6 Jun 2004, 20:21 (Ref:995501)
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I thought when you crossed the line you won the race?
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6 Jun 2004, 20:28 (Ref:995509)
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Even with F1 they're bringing aggregate in now for qualifying. Races soon will follow. Especially with the results twiddling you *usually* get in the ETCC, it would probably make more sense for the podium for the previous race, to take place just before the next one! |
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6 Jun 2004, 20:31 (Ref:995515)
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Shame...It must be so embarressing for the driver (such as Paffett) to be up their on the podium knowing his won, only for a few hours later to be kicked out.
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6 Jun 2004, 20:35 (Ref:995519)
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At least I suppose it's for something technical, and not say for pushing or shoving. That way it doesn't reflect on the driver much except for his scorecard - and obviously championships chances. Now 19 points behind Albers, not 7 - likely to be the Mercedes second fiddle for the rest of the season.
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6 Jun 2004, 21:39 (Ref:995575)
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Although I wanted Ekstrom to win at the time, I'm gutted for Gary!! No driver should have a win taken off them after so long, when they clearly knew he ran out of fuel!!!!!
Also Schneiders first podium of 2004, but he didn't take it! |
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7 Jun 2004, 06:10 (Ref:995816)
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Gary Paffet was disqualified five hours after the race the reason is that the car was to light.So the result of the race is now 1.Ekstrom 2.Albers 3.Schneider
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7 Jun 2004, 08:06 (Ref:995879)
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I've heard Gary's team is appealling (saids autosport.com). So it looks as tho this isn't over yet...
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