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23 Jun 2004, 07:36 (Ref:1012932)
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US GP - James Allen's Verdict
I am a little stunned by the article on the ITV site where James Alens's leader is "Just What F1 Needed"
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?&...al&PO_ID=30499 It seems like he comes from the school of spectator that thinks "crashes are cool" |
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23 Jun 2004, 07:42 (Ref:1012942)
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I only have 2 words on my mind when reading this: Sick and *******! (the second which no doubt will be blanked out..)
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23 Jun 2004, 08:00 (Ref:1012957)
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Unfortunately it has to be said that spectators do enjoy races where there is an element of crashing. You only have to look at the most popular viewing places to see they are centered where crashes are likely to happen. I'm not suggesting they want to see injury, but spins, accidents and the like, they do want to see.
I think James Allens comments refer to the whole race and not Ralfs accident per se and should be taken in that context. Look at last years British GP for example. We had bits coming off DC's car which prompted the SC, then the track invader and again the SC, and everyone said what a fabulous race it was. Unfortunately people want to see some action, not a processional race. |
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23 Jun 2004, 08:03 (Ref:1012961)
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Personally I find crashes distressing and would much rather get my kicks from seeing closely matched cars and drivers racing and dicing with each other (thank's for that Taku)
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23 Jun 2004, 08:04 (Ref:1012962)
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And here i was thinking that it was because of Rubens' fashionable victory that it was a fabulous race, if it was just those things as the priest and DC that happened then i would just call it an 'eventful' race, not a fabulous one.
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23 Jun 2004, 08:26 (Ref:1012986)
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While i never like to see anyone involved in a big accident there are a lot of people that do attend motor sports in the hope of seeing some spectacular crashes although i would've thought James Allen to be a little smarter with his comments as someone that's watched as much F1 as him should know what can happen with a big accident.
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23 Jun 2004, 08:39 (Ref:1012996)
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He's a ****, but the average viewer sees the odd crash, minus injuries of course, as another part of 'the show'. James Allen has to realise who he is writing his report too - F1 fans, not the casual viewer. Thus it might help if for once he tuned that grey matter in and realised what the real fans want to see and read about - racing.
On a random note, and talking about racers, did anyone get last weeks Autosport and read about how Sato and Rubens have buried the hatchet? Good article by Mark Hughes - read it! ALLEN OUT! EDWARDS IN! |
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23 Jun 2004, 08:44 (Ref:1013002)
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There was no report bby James Allen in the FT on Monday so hopefully they have started the trend of dropping him and that ITV used Ben Edwards for Le Mans to try him out
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23 Jun 2004, 09:25 (Ref:1013036)
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Allen says every GP is the most exciting thing he has ever seen . Its all just talking it up to save his job . I simply cannot understand how he is still there, or any of the hapless mob for that matter.
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23 Jun 2004, 09:29 (Ref:1013041)
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Allen is shocking. All cliches. He talks in the same way as a journalist writes. Rosenthal and Blundell's 'chat' after the race was also shockingly stiff...?! Chrysalis could get a far cheaper and far more skilled set of presenters. I don't understand what they're doing...?
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23 Jun 2004, 09:55 (Ref:1013063)
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Since Allen became a presenter we have all had our own views on how well he has been doing. i think this is just another example of him making the assumption that really we know very little about F1. Yes actionis good, but the kind of action that we want is the overtaking and wheel to wheel racing, not crashes that could be fatal!
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23 Jun 2004, 10:15 (Ref:1013097)
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People who watch purely for the crashes are not real racing enthusiasts. The lowest common denominator is not what it's about. There's so much more to the story if they could be bothered to find out and spend some grey matter on the skill and expertise involved.
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23 Jun 2004, 10:15 (Ref:1013099)
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That's right, action and accidents are two different things and I only enjoy the first
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23 Jun 2004, 10:20 (Ref:1013106)
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Surely by ITV standards it was the worst race ever, because it delayed Coronation Street?
James seems to be stuck in between doing serious commentaries for knowledgable viewers, as he did from the pitlane (albeit not terirbly well) and dumbing it down to get a wider audience (the way ITV want it). The online report should be geared to the former audience, as spider says. |
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23 Jun 2004, 10:28 (Ref:1013113)
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"Dumbing it down" is an unfortunate yet apt description of what's happening. I can't say I'd volunteer myself every second Sunday but I must admit that the start 'GOOOOOOOOsss' and the some of the other carry-on gets a bit wearing now and again.
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23 Jun 2004, 10:32 (Ref:1013121)
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I have never heard one good thing about him, not ONE positive comment. The only positive thing I can think of is that one day he'll have to retire...*sigh*...what a great thought - F1 without the dullard - I can dream, can't I!?
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23 Jun 2004, 10:33 (Ref:1013122)
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I have never heard one good thing about him, not ONE positive comment. The only positive thing I can think of is that one day he'll have to retire...*sigh*...what a great thought - F1 without the dullard - I can dream, can't I!?
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23 Jun 2004, 10:48 (Ref:1013141)
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Come back Murray, all is forgiven?
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23 Jun 2004, 11:17 (Ref:1013171)
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Though I find my patience with Jim Rosenthal wearing thin, too. Here's a thing, Jim - not everything can be compared to football. I nearly screamed when he followed Mark Blundell's explanation of left-foot braking (not, it seems to me, the most complex of concepts) by saying "So, it's like a footballer kicking with both feet". No! No it's not, Jim! The two things are in no way alike! And stop talking about football all the f**king time - we're watching F1 because, shock horror, we like motor racing. NOT FOOTBALL!
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23 Jun 2004, 11:28 (Ref:1013178)
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anybody heard about this ITV3 rumour next year, That all the fly away quallies will be on this channel. as for allen and rosenthal,Get Ben Edwards and Steve Ryder as Ancorman but it won`t happen.
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23 Jun 2004, 11:29 (Ref:1013180)
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James is somewhat loose with the facts also.
"Now that Hakkinen's Williams test has been cancelled". Every other source, including the team and Mika has said there never was a test planned. |
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23 Jun 2004, 13:47 (Ref:1013378)
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How many people cringed when he let out the "ROCK AND ROLL!!!!" after rubens pole lap.
I just love hearing Martin shoot all his conspiracy theories. It seems to me that James tries to create a soap opera out of F1 wheras Martin tends to commentate on the racing. Ive really tried to warm to James and I thought I was being harsh on him earlier in the year. I thought to myself, 'maybe Murray wasnt that much better'. Since then, Ive got a few of my tapes out and had a watch and damn I miss Murray!!!! That was one funny dude who had a passion for racing greater than anyone. He too made a big deal out of little incidents, but he just did it in a much better way. I cant explain it, Murrary could screw up, overhype an incident, mistake Michael for Ralf every race, and still be entertaining. HE WAS THE MASTER!!!!!!!! |
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Murray was in a different league - not only was his commentary knowledgable, (mostly) accurate, entertaining and reliable, but he was honest, hard-working and friendly, if maybe a little naĆ*ve. James isn't a bad guy, but he's a lame commentator. Still, at least they didn't choose Jeremy Clarkson. |
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23 Jun 2004, 16:12 (Ref:1013536)
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The only reason I don't turn James Allen off and listen to 5 live is the sesible comments from Martin.
Honestly that Dullard and the 'Bad Luck Queen' just rub me up the wrong way. Make way for Ben Edwards please Ian |
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23 Jun 2004, 16:13 (Ref:1013538)
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Whoops,
just done an Allen....Sensible comments |
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