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30 Jul 2004, 08:34 (Ref:1051723) | #1 | |
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CPR Control Arm Irregularity
Well, it seem Mr Perkins has been called to explain an irregularity with control arms on none other than Steven Richards car at Winton...something like 20mm.
Gee, I havent heard Larry (or BPB) calling for Richards points to be docked yet - we'll have to wait and see, I guess. And I'll bet you a lifetime supply of beer that the Stone Brothers don't either ... it's called class. And let's have a comment from all the Holden fans who reckon Ambrose would be an "unworthy" winner. |
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30 Jul 2004, 09:49 (Ref:1051781) | #2 | |
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Well, it's hard to comment when so little is known... But, if found guilty, they should cop a pretty severe penalty (points and fine).
I dare say this could be performance enhancing. (There are people out there who would know far more about that than me). Does not escape the fact that the same thing should've happened to Ambrose. And if Larry is found not guilty, well he can still stand by his comments of a copuple of weeks ago. |
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30 Jul 2004, 10:23 (Ref:1051813) | #4 | |
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Dunno about clearance.
But the pick up points for the Upper & Lower control arms are to be within 20mm of the TEGA blue print points. So my bet is it could be here that lies the problem..by 1mm ? Maybe someone could right a letter saying larry's an expert in this field and that if anyone had the Knowledge to tapper with such things it would be LP. Everyone runs the Larry bar across the front window once LP got away with it !! |
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30 Jul 2004, 10:33 (Ref:1051822) | #6 | |
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OK, that sounds about right.
There is a TEGA jig that when the arms are removed it is surposed to fit in the pick up points in the body(top) and x-member(bottom)... So it's 5% out of the 20mm range !! |
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Well I am sure that Larry will be dissapointed if the Stewards are lax and don't deal with this in an approriate manner and send a message to others that this sort of thing is not on
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30 Jul 2004, 11:21 (Ref:1051866) | #9 | |
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I believe the allowable tolerance is 1mm and their's is OUT by 20mm...
Not really close if thats the case. Reminds me of NASCAR interview with pit crew - "Its our job to cheat, it's their job to catch us." |
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From what they said on the panelbeaters I think you are right there deeks6. It used to be 20mm now it is 1mm.
if this is correct it is a huge amount to be out by and these sorts of things detirmine anti-squat etc in the rear end and can not be a non performance item.It would effect the ability of the car to hook up out of the corner thus add to lap times |
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I guess its lucky Richo didnt actually win the race. If so you could hear the out-cries now.
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30 Jul 2004, 22:19 (Ref:1052363) | #12 | ||
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Control arm position is one of the things that has a huge effect on the performance of the car,it is also something that is recorded on most setup sheets,you don't just put them in the wrong hole,correct me if I am wrong(I have complete faith someone will if I am )but Richo was in more strife than a Werribee duck in practice etc at winton and well off the pace,were these changes made to get a short term gain and try to bump him up the grid?If so then the choice was made by his engineers to go beyond the rule book to fine some drive.Larry may well have been completely unaware that the car was illegal.
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31 Jul 2004, 03:43 (Ref:1052495) | #14 | ||
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Who knows but that is what usually is said,be it F1,CART,NASCAR etc.
Remeber the dougnuts in the EC carpark,that was some junior member of the team who has since left. |
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31 Jul 2004, 05:07 (Ref:1052524) | #15 | ||
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Maybe someone in the team took the race car for a flog up the highway?
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I heard the same on Panelbeaters Onlooker. It's a bit disappointing that the CPR website has no mention of the issue, I suppose it hasn't got very far yet but they seem to be very quiet.
Given that the control arm pickup would be set when the car was constructed, does that mean Steven Richards has been running an illegal car all year? Or am I reading too much into it? (PS, a genuine question, not trying to stir trouble for what it's worth) |
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That said it may well have run for a few rounds undetected and his results may be better than they should be,I wonder if CAMS are smart enough to have seized all set up sheets from the team to establish when it was moved,yeah right |
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31 Jul 2004, 09:06 (Ref:1052583) | #18 | ||
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That's fair enough, I was thinking of a car constructed to the new regs. I assume that SR has not had a new car built since the rule was changed?
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All the Holden supporters will be furious (after the SBR/Ambrose result) but I have been told that Richo is being disqualified and that any appeal is likely to fail......don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger!
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1 Aug 2004, 12:04 (Ref:1053248) | #22 | |
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OH, and don't forget what GTR said in another thread..
"The car was underweight.... 3.1.1 says a car has to weigh 1355kg.. obviously Mr Taylor (is he still in charge?) found the car lighter than that at technical inspection after the race...". If GTR is correct(and most members here believe he is 99% of the time) PMS(Perkins Motor Sport) are in a lot of trouble. |
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