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18 Sep 2004, 22:48 (Ref:1100446)
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Ford Australia Motors Sport Review?
With the review by Ford of it's participation in F1 and WRC, will the review also include V8SC in Australia?
Will this impact on "TC's V8 vision"? http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=59588 Mike Last edited by mmciau; 18 Sep 2004 at 22:50. |
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19 Sep 2004, 00:01 (Ref:1100483)
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I doubt it!
The local Ford execs would be very reluctant to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and withdraw support form (arguably) the countries premier Tin Top category which culminates in the "race that stops a Nation"
(there is also a silly horse race somewhere that does that) 
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19 Sep 2004, 00:03 (Ref:1100485)
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They race horses????????
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19 Sep 2004, 00:38 (Ref:1100506)
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The likelihood of Ford cutting back when they have just caught up and started to get dividends is somewhat unlikely.
It's been done once before and it hurt them intolerably. The crest of a wave that Ford Australia is currently riding is indeed one that Ford internationally could well learn from, probably hence the promotion of Mr Polites into Europe. Anyone who understands the franchised motor vehicle sales industry will understand importance, bordering on a need, to have their product proven on a race track. It is an integral part of any successful marketing plan, and Ford Australia are doing that just brilliantly right now. Unlike the Formula One situation with Jaguar, Ford do not own a Supercar team, so the parallels and parameters are somewhat different, but then so is the investment. |
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19 Sep 2004, 00:56 (Ref:1100508)
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Perhaps it may seem illogical, however Ford is still not making kazilions of dollars of return on its investment in BA, Territory and other models. Ka was a flop, Focus survives by serious discounting and is underselling to the market... all is not absolutely rosy, despite a Ford winning streak on the racetrack...
Holden came back from something similar in the mid 1980's... but took some help from the parent, and a load of "lucky" product placement to get right |
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19 Sep 2004, 02:22 (Ref:1100526)
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The way I understood it, Ford's withdrawal from F1 was more about them spending bazillions on a team that dribbles around off the pace.
from the Sydney Herald Ford vice-president Richard Parry-Jones said Jaguar could not compete dollar-for-dollar with German rivals BMW and Mercedes, partners to Williams and McLaren, and it was not in Jaguar's long-term interests to be at the back end of the grid. With the race winning efforts of SBR over the past 2 years, one could hardly say the same here... |
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19 Sep 2004, 03:28 (Ref:1100549)
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Ah but Ford thinks it is ponying up enough money to be competitive. In WRC, in F1... and it is clearly not, and hasnt been for probably the life of those two programs.
Hell the original Cosworth DFV design was only done with outside backing kicking the tin.... SBR won last year's series without the kazillions of dollars FPR enjoyed.... so the commitment from Ford has really only stepped up from the end of last season (after Caltex/Pirtek etc al funded the investment in preceding years) |
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19 Sep 2004, 09:21 (Ref:1100682)
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Would Ford think of what they are doing in Australian Motorsport??? Who knows, but answer me this who out there amongst you all thought they would ever see the day that either Ford Or Cosworth no longer competing in F1?
If they pull out of that there is nothing to say they won't do it here |
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19 Sep 2004, 09:42 (Ref:1100694)
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Why would Ford think they are putting up enough money to win in F1 and WRC?
Who was the outside backing with the DFV? |
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19 Sep 2004, 09:50 (Ref:1100716)
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Ford was the out side backing, Colin Chapman convinced Walter Hayes from Ford that this engine designed by his former Lotus employees Keith Duckworth and Mike Costin would be a GP winner and too fund it
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19 Sep 2004, 15:14 (Ref:1101095)
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19 Sep 2004, 20:29 (Ref:1101370)
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'Cos the "politicians in Canberra are so heavenly, they serve no earthly purpose!!"
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19 Sep 2004, 22:50 (Ref:1101449)
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Might it be that the Ford/Jaguar effort in F1 does not provide the same branding as V8SC does in Oz? I would hazard a guess that Falcon buyers do not closely associate a Jaguar win somewhere else in the world with how much they want a BA Falcon. However, when BA shelled race cars complete a 1-2-3 at a high profile local event, the association with the road car (and therefore showroom traffic) is significant. Don't confuse the motives of any of the big vehicle manufacturers who put money into motorsport - they do it for the promotional benefit not any love of the sport.......
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20 Sep 2004, 04:42 (Ref:1101595)
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20 Sep 2004, 08:11 (Ref:1101675)
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no FORD,no v8 supercar formula????
with the FORD pull out of worldwide motorsport, except F1 and NASCAR, where to now ?????????
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20 Sep 2004, 08:14 (Ref:1101679)
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so where has this been confirmed
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20 Sep 2004, 08:16 (Ref:1101680)
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F1 and WRC programs have been cancelled. No effect on V8 or nascar.
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20 Sep 2004, 08:16 (Ref:1101681)
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on the news services worldwide...
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20 Sep 2004, 08:21 (Ref:1101683)
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only nascar & f1 are confirmed, nothing else. the big sqeeze is now on ,shareholder returns are now zero...
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20 Sep 2004, 08:32 (Ref:1101691)
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F1 i think is on a big downhill slide and WRC looks even worse. The whole problem is with the costs of competing.
V8 Supercars are on the same boat and eventually will fail. |
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20 Sep 2004, 08:39 (Ref:1101697)
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Ford has canned F1 and they are thinking about WRC very seriously. NASCAR is staying and I do not really think that the v8 dinasours are on there list as FORD do not see Australia as a huge money waste, as the v8taxi's are there own wosrt enemy.
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20 Sep 2004, 08:58 (Ref:1101713)
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Which is why it should have been the Ford brand in F1 not Jag (which should be racing at Le Mans).
I think (hope!) that the only reason Ford Oz would pull out of motorsport here is if H/O tell them to. Who is to say how likely that is? It seems to be working here at least. |
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Malcom Wilson from M Sport who runs Ford's WRC effort is waiting on an answer. They are releasing a new Focus in the next month and the word is Ford are finding it hard to justify them expence to develop a new WRC car. The might go ahead and do a couple of WRC rounds in 05 and sepdn the rest on developing the new car. |
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20 Sep 2004, 09:26 (Ref:1101748)
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pierre? spa-eau rouge?
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20 Sep 2004, 10:05 (Ref:1101786)
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I was thinking the same thing, seems too me there is no stopping him, onfullnoise, pierre, spa-eau rouge.
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