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10 Oct 2004, 01:25 (Ref:1120042)
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Unification of GT rules...
so whats going on with the unification of the GT rules? haven't heard much about this lately and i was wondering if this is still supposed to happen for 2005 and when we should expect an announcement/publishing of the rules.
also, regarding the implication of the unified regs, does anyone know how they will be unified? will the regs be like the FIA-GT (bigger wings, larger restrictors than ACO) or like the ACO regs? this could be a huge difference for cars like the Saleen and the Lambo, who are much slower in ACO trim than FIA-GT. if the rules are like the FIA-GT then i would imagine the ACEMCO saleen will be very competitive come next year too... |
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10 Oct 2004, 16:11 (Ref:1120362)
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From my undertanding they will be more like the ACO regs.
The C5-Rs and Prodrive 550s have shown this year are quicker than ever, even with the smaller restrictor and wings. The MC12 is already running an ACO spec wing and doesn't seem to be having any problems. At Spa the Vitaphone Saleen was around 3 seconds slower in ACO spec compared to FIA spec. However, at least a second of this is down to the qualifying tires used in FIA GT, while theres also the issue that the Vitaphone car is set-up predominatly for FIA GT, so has not been honed to ACO regs like the ACEMCO car in the ALMS. I wouldn't be suprised if the works, ACO spec C5-R was quicker than the quickest FIA spec cars at most circuits. Last edited by JAG; 10 Oct 2004 at 16:17. |
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10 Oct 2004, 17:57 (Ref:1120412)
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10 Oct 2004, 19:26 (Ref:1120464)
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With more development in ACO spec the Saleen should, hopefully, be upto speed with the C5-R and the 550. Last edited by JAG; 10 Oct 2004 at 19:27. |
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11 Oct 2004, 05:11 (Ref:1120773)
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Has the Saleen any problem with ACO's specs ? Last edited by Fab; 11 Oct 2004 at 05:12. |
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11 Oct 2004, 17:11 (Ref:1121247)
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Apparently so according to Konrad and the Vitaphone drivers.
Maybe the car is not set-up correctly for ACO spec like the ACEMCO car, and so the balance/performance of the car is much worse in ACO spec than it should be. Who knows! |
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11 Oct 2004, 19:49 (Ref:1121404)
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Of course that's assuming the ACEMCO car is set up correctly.
At least the Vitaphone car had a few GTS poles over the Larbre 550. The ACEMCO car hasn't even sniffed the Corvettes in terms of pace. As for the Lambos, I believe they are suffering from the restrictors AND rear wing size in ACO spec. I would prefer to see the FIA GT specs used personally. The ACO's specs are a bit to restrictive for some cars. |
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11 Oct 2004, 20:37 (Ref:1121466)
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I would bet the C5-R is quicker than any current FIA spec car, despite the smaller restrictor/wing.
The 2004 cars are far quicker than the 2002 C5-Rs, with the big restrictor/wing! Just shows what is possible with factory backing! Last edited by JAG; 11 Oct 2004 at 20:41. |
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16 Oct 2004, 19:25 (Ref:1126136)
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Works backing does count for alot , just look at what the Lamborghini could do at Valencia FIA GT round with the works team there compared to the recent results with DAMS and you coluld almost also say Khrone Barbour , but the Lambo works team didn't race with the car in ACO spec so I suppose you couldn't.
P.S Havent been around for a while because the computer got very unwell and its benn back with only a day or two but have tried to keep up to date. bf1 |
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16 Oct 2004, 21:13 (Ref:1126199)
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put the vitaphone saleen in ACO spec and race it against the vettes and i will bet you top dollar that it does no better than the acemco saleen
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16 Oct 2004, 21:18 (Ref:1126202)
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Personally Id disagree with that tblincoe, the Vitaphone Saleen is a very well sorted car on pace, albeit reliabilty isnt their strong suit. The ACEMCO Saleen is beginning to find a bit of pace but at the moment its not going as well as the Vitaphone car IMO. The only way we will ever be able to truly judge is at LM 2005 - providing Vitaphone and ACEMCO each get entries...
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16 Oct 2004, 22:08 (Ref:1126232)
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If the same car was tested back to back, in ACO and FIA spec, the car would always be quicker in FIA spec.
But of course, as we all know not all teams/cars are equal, hence why the works, ACO spec C5-R/550 are very likely to be quicker than the best FIA spec cars at this moment in time. |
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17 Oct 2004, 07:05 (Ref:1126469)
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For what is announced by the Automobile World Council, the MC12 is holomogated for the 2005 GT championship.
There's now two categories : GT1 and GT2. And everybody's working on FIA/ACO rules unification... |
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17 Oct 2004, 12:06 (Ref:1126602)
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According to hindy there were representatives from Aston Martin and Maserati at Laguna Seca.
Bobby Rahal was also there! Last edited by JAG; 17 Oct 2004 at 12:07. |
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17 Oct 2004, 20:13 (Ref:1126832)
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would be great to see factory saleens, corvettes, maseratis, and aston martins racing against eachother on north americas best tracks.
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18 Oct 2004, 06:33 (Ref:1127054)
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Maserati will surely enter ALMS as soon as possible. The North American market is vital to Maserati and it will get little exposure through FIA GT - so ALMS is to only real series for that the car to race in America.
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18 Oct 2004, 12:37 (Ref:1127274)
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the 'vettes are in for a fight in 2005 if that proves to be true... it will be interesting to see who runs the maseratis in the ALMS, rafanelli? risi?
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18 Oct 2004, 13:04 (Ref:1127294)
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Risi have long been rumoured as potential MC12 customers, certainly. Kelleners/Lazzaro in a Maserati would be quite a thing to behold.
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18 Oct 2004, 15:27 (Ref:1127402)
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i definitely think Risi deserves to get the MC12s due to their loyalty to ferrari and the win they got with the 360 GTC at lime rock.
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