Jaguar R2

WackyRacer · 9 Jan 2001, 16:33 (Ref:57611)

The second year Jaguar will be active in F1 and already a price: the annual cup for who-is-first-to-present-their-new-car. For sure Bobby Rahal hopes the other teams will see a lot of green in 2001. Hopefully he himself will not turn green when Eddie crashes (again). I think one detail is ugly about the new R2: the Becks advertising. It seems to be anti-aerodynamicly placed. It doesn't follow the flow of the car. Anyone agrees?

EERO · 9 Jan 2001, 18:40 (Ref:57638)

Its hideous. It baffles me that a company responsible for so many truely beautiful racing cars has allowed market research committees to mould such an illegible and ugly graphic scheme.

The Beck's logo is too large for its placement, and the white portions HSBC insist upon ruin the lines of the car, and once again "THATS not British Racing Green"

sweetbaby · 9 Jan 2001, 18:50 (Ref:57641)

Yeah i notice that myself...no biggy thou
the graphic scheme doesn't change the proforacne..
the money from the graphics dose...

More to the point, wasn't Eddie lookin well

See he's just as ruff and ready as ever...
Huminah huminah how wow!!!

**Craig** · 9 Jan 2001, 19:18 (Ref:57650)

Hate to disagree (OK, actually I don't

) but I think it looks real nice - as I did last season. The only improvement would be if they would refrain from putting ANY green beneath the tramline - the lower half of the car should be simply white. The Becks ad looks fine to me

Oh, one more thing, there's no such thing as 'British Racing Green' - over the years there have been many variations on the colour green referred to as BRG (take a visit to the Donington Collection or similar to see for yourself) and the Jag Green is simply another variation...

EERO · 9 Jan 2001, 20:56 (Ref:57683)

Okay, Craig, pick nits. I understand that there is no single color, but you must admit that that fluorescent grass green is more unlike its many precedents than it is like them.

**Craig** · 9 Jan 2001, 21:02 (Ref:57686)

As I say, there are numerous shades of BRG - if it's a British car and it's painted in green, then it's BRG. I wish I had some photos to hand, but i've seen cars in what can only be described as a mix of lime green and pea green all the way to a green which is so dark it's almost black.

OVERSTEER · 9 Jan 2001, 22:44 (Ref:57714)

The car isn't painted in real BRG because when tests were done to see what it would look like on TV it looked like black, but hey it looks stunning! whats wrong with the becks advertising i think it looks amazing

Willie the Pimp · 9 Jan 2001, 23:08 (Ref:57719)

i really don't think it matters (the "questionably" ugly detail) as long as they got real payed and invest the cash wisely..and maybe be a bit more competitive..who knows even
get a point or 3.

Its hideous?..EERO.. Thats yer opinion.
if you want 2 see hideous..just take a look at some
Indi cars..
You know what they say 'the bigger the Logo'
I don't think HSBC insisted upon ruining the lines of the car. That makes no sence 'Do it'.
As far as "THATS not British Racing Green" goes..Well
Jag originaly did paint the cars British Racing Green.
However the high lead content that was in the paint
simply made it 2 heavy 2 use.. And they had 2 compromise.
and thats why it's the 'New-age' Funky racing green.

Sweetbabe..
i do agree..But you left the point.
we were talkin bout the cars not Mr Irvine.
We're not all Driver whoe's you know!..

Craig..
Again thats yer opinion. i myself see nothin much wrong
with the car.. As long as it's faster than last season..yeah.
Oh about yer "one more thing" You may have indeed seen many
variations on the colour green referred to as BRG.
there is a BRG and that was the original Jag racing colour.
but over the years that fact seems to have been blured.

Just because there is a bunch of photo's of racing cars that happen 2 be British and happen 2 be green
Does not mean the colour is instantly BRG.
It's just a green colour that team choose.
What's next IRR "Italian racing red" perhaps.

Im lookin forward 2 doin this all over again when
each and every other team unvails...Aren't you

Best Willie

Willie the Pimp · 9 Jan 2001, 23:11 (Ref:57722)

OVERSTEER..
You do talk sence 4 such a 'Young-in'

TRD · 9 Jan 2001, 23:58 (Ref:57729)

Not a radical change from the R1 scheme but it looks OK still. Does the pouncing Jaguar have to be so big? We all know who they are don't we?. The BECK's logo looks better than last year but a bit too large (I'd be a bit upset if I were HSBC). The bodywork is OK nothing really innovative or odd (those barge boards are really developing alot of contours though). Overall, I like it but just barely. Now let's see if EI can keep it on the track. I can't wait for the next unveiling (Jordan)!

stubert · 10 Jan 2001, 00:24 (Ref:57745)

To much white.looked better last year.

DNQ · 10 Jan 2001, 02:34 (Ref:57770)

I reckon it looks really nice

EERO · 10 Jan 2001, 02:58 (Ref:57774)

Oversteer and Willie, my complaint about the "Beck's" logo is that the idea of cropping a logo that is overscaled for its location has become cliched as had the trend of registering it at an angle not normal to a Cartesian grid, i.e. "cranking it".

This is what I find so annoying about so much graphic design as applied to racing cars, (often evidenced by the now relentless angle of the text of the livery creating a wedgelike line on Touring Cars-it was innovative, dare I say "Cool" the first time, now it just tired.)

The same goes for the overscaled and cropped "Beck's" Logo.

It shows no creativity or imagination, just the slavish following of an already overdone fashion.

As for the use of the white for the HSBC logo, I do not intend to imply that HSBC deliberately effed-up the design-rather that as their corporate logo is Black Text on a White background, that they have (Reasonably) insisted upon a white field to display their Logo. However, the proportions of these areas and the sweep along the side of the car negate the fluidity of the lines of the car.
Yes, ultimately, it is "My opinion", but it is an educated opinion, and not just willful ranting. There are general design principles with regard both to Aesthetics and Marketing, Jaguar have broken these principles on two accounts-their design is cliched and illegible.

Sparky · 10 Jan 2001, 03:07 (Ref:57775)

I actually think it doesn't do the car any harm.
A 'dark over light' scheme visually lengthens a car, and to my eye, it certainly looks sleek.
Also, it is the nature of a modern, multi-sponsored car to look 'busy'. With all the aggressive logos contained within the white lower half, I think it works quite well.

(But then it is January, and I am somewhat F1 starved!)

Valve Bounce · 10 Jan 2001, 03:46 (Ref:57780)

The original BRG used on the C-Type looks like black on TV. As far as colours go, I prefer the red of Ferrari and the silver of McLaren. BUT, who cares?? as long as the car doesn't go like a sleepwalking fat arse wombat

Personally, I think it looks great in its present livery.

Willie the Pimp · 10 Jan 2001, 04:49 (Ref:57783)

sweetbaby · 10 Jan 2001, 04:58 (Ref:57784)

I would take it that's Eddie's car

them romours must be true!

Neil C · 10 Jan 2001, 05:51 (Ref:57788)

EERO's right about one thing. (ok maybe two)

Cars used to be required to carry their numbers on a white "meatball" so scorers and fans could identify the car. Now, sponsors require that their logos dominate visually and the numbers have nearly dissapeared, especially at speed. Scoring is done via electronics, and the fans, tough **** if they cant tell the cars apart, as long as they see the logos.

Minardi fan · 12 Jan 2001, 17:41 (Ref:58161)

Quote:

Originally posted by Willie the Pimp

It looks as disgusting as it did in 2000, and yes the Becks sponsorship looks way too big. Ditch the white. Yuck.

R · 12 Jan 2001, 18:41 (Ref:58174)

I agree with those who say there's too much white on that car.

Orange · 13 Jan 2001, 00:57 (Ref:58246)

Wait a sec....
I thought that the main impetus for changing Stewart to Jaguar was to capitalize on the "historic legacy" of this "old proud mark." Will someone please explain how this monstrosity of a paint scheme does that in any way?? Who would have thought that Jag would drop the ball image-wise as well as results-wise?

This brings me to one of my big pet peeves... Why arent there any "retro" paint schemes?? And you had the chance to win me with style Jag....

Toth · 13 Jan 2001, 19:49 (Ref:58328)

Well I like it!

And I don't know why, I definately didn't like the jaguar last year. But this car looks very fast and somehow I like it.

tazzoid · 14 Jan 2001, 11:13 (Ref:58418)

Sokay. But I think the front wing should be green. Otherwise it looks a bit like a bulldozer. Or like they couldn't be bothered.

Hey, the Becks thingy looks like the Lucky Strike logo at a glance. UGLY. KITCH. But at least their name isn't so arb.

Gt_R · 14 Jan 2001, 14:08 (Ref:58427)

Blame it on HSBC for the white section... I would really prefer to see the car painted totally green, with white front and rear wings as well as the white Japuar...

botsquad · 14 Jan 2001, 16:35 (Ref:58441)

busy.. its just so busy. isn't it?

but eddie would look fab it he could hoist a ice cold beck as climed from his seat in parc ferme.

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