Jerez Test times - 10 Jan 06

f1_carzy · 10 Jan 2006, 17:30 (Ref:1498762)

Name Team T Laps Time Gap
M Schumacher Ferrari B 82 1:18.020 126.957 mph
Zonta Toyota B 66 1:19.348 1.328
R Schumacher Toyota B 59 1:19.866 1.846
Alonso Renault M 61 1:19.929 1.909
Badoer Ferrari B 63 1:20.091 2.071
Fisichella Renault M 39 1:20.555 2.535
Coulthard Red Bull M 31 1:21.986 3.966

f1_carzy · 10 Jan 2006, 17:32 (Ref:1498764)

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=26824

Schumi's time looks impressive (I guess he was running a 2004 chasis)

f1_carzy · 10 Jan 2006, 17:34 (Ref:1498766)

Apologies for the multiple posts

I stand corrected, but Schumi was using the F2005 as reported by f1racing.net

jhansen · 10 Jan 2006, 18:03 (Ref:1498786)

What does it say about the F2005 when Ferrari are still testing with a modified F2004?

Sodemo · 10 Jan 2006, 18:08 (Ref:1498789)

I was certain this was a F2004!
http://images.f1racing.net/large/54563.jpg

Its actually (I think) the nose of a F2004 with the back end of a F2005.
Notice how the front wing is much lower (and nicer) in this above pic.

Here is a F2005
http://images.f1racing.net/large/54453.jpg

safc_fan89 · 10 Jan 2006, 19:33 (Ref:1498833)

I try not to read too much into testing times because they are never representative of the pace that the team is capable of doing.

Dutton · 10 Jan 2006, 19:36 (Ref:1498835)

Well, I think, come the end of Febuary, it is normally possible to get a rough idea of what is going on.

Over the months of testing a general trend can often be seen

We'll see.

ASCII Man · 10 Jan 2006, 19:57 (Ref:1498849)

Why test a two year old car?

Marbot · 10 Jan 2006, 20:08 (Ref:1498858)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Why test a two year old car?

'Cos' it's patently better than the year old one.

KevinS · 10 Jan 2006, 20:09 (Ref:1498859)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Why test a two year old car?

1- The F2004 was apperantly easier to adjust to fit the V8. All of Ferrari's tests so far were with either the F2005 with V10 or F2004M with V8 or V10.
2- The F2005 was built for harder tires (suspension geometry). Running the F2004 would give you better data for this year's tires.

And I do believe it's the F2004, probably with some more 2006 parts.

Louis B. · 10 Jan 2006, 20:10 (Ref:1498860)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Why test a two year old car?

It's not a 2004! Is there any confirmation that it is indeed one?

KevinS · 10 Jan 2006, 20:15 (Ref:1498863)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis B.

It's not a 2004! Is there any confirmation that it is indeed one?

Look at the rear wing endplates. Pre 2005 style.

Marbot · 10 Jan 2006, 20:17 (Ref:1498864)

This site says 2004?http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34818

And this site says 2005?http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=106888

Louis B. · 10 Jan 2006, 20:28 (Ref:1498869)

thks Kevin and this is also confirmed on f1 live.

Note to myself: Louis, anything is possible in f1, you know absolutely nothing about f1 car design, you shall not challenge the experts (bis)

Louis B. · 10 Jan 2006, 20:32 (Ref:1498872)

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyn bott

This site says 2004?http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34818

And this site says 2005?http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=106888

And what does Martyn say?

F.O.F. · 10 Jan 2006, 20:43 (Ref:1498879)

they may have just using it to test aero bits or some thing else but alonso was running an R25 with a V10(neither of which are any use) where as fisi was in the R26.
it looks like renault may be allready keeping alonso out of the loop

Louis B. · 10 Jan 2006, 20:51 (Ref:1498888)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Why test a two year old car?

In addition to Kevin's logical explanations:

1. because it was a winner, the 2005 wasn't;
2. because someone at the ferrari warehouse mix up the crates;
3. to make us talk about them (I must say it works);
4. the 2004 was so reliable that they have plenty of chassie left; or
5. FIAT is running out of money such that they use what is left.

Louis B. · 10 Jan 2006, 20:52 (Ref:1498892)

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.O.F.

they may have just using it to test aero bits or some thing else but alonso was running an R25 with a V10(neither of which are any use) where as fisi was in the R26.
it looks like renault may be allready keeping alonso out of the loop

Are you telling me that there is inequality of treatment at Renault? I'm convinced Fisi would deny any such thing.

Louis B. · 10 Jan 2006, 21:04 (Ref:1498898)

Reading the news, I also note that the RB2 had electrical, wires touching I guess, problems. That's alway a problem with sexy things

safc_fan89 · 10 Jan 2006, 21:20 (Ref:1498910)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutton

Well, I think, come the end of Febuary, it is normally possible to get a rough idea of what is going on.

Over the months of testing a general trend can often be seen

We'll see.

Maybe, but in 2004 a Mclaren broke the lap record at Valencia I think it was, yet when they turned up at Australia they were nowhere near the pace.

And regarding Ferrari...presumably the lap times they are recording are false if they are using a car that doesn't meet the technical rules...or have I misinterpreted this?

F.O.F. · 10 Jan 2006, 22:11 (Ref:1498953)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis B.

Are you telling me that there is inequality of treatment at Renault? I'm convinced Fisi would deny any such thing.

oh not at all,giancarlo wouldn't just stand by and watch alonso get the cold shoulder.after all,they're teammates

Sodemo · 11 Jan 2006, 00:21 (Ref:1499005)

Quote:

Originally Posted by safc_fan89

And regarding Ferrari...presumably the lap times they are recording are false if they are using a car that doesn't meet the technical rules...or have I misinterpreted this?

Thats how I read it, that front wing is 100% from the F2004.

Tf105 · 11 Jan 2006, 01:16 (Ref:1499020)

Anyone notices ralfie's form... he never ranked that high in practise during 2005

Marbot · 11 Jan 2006, 08:57 (Ref:1499100)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tf105

Anyone notices ralfie's form... he never ranked that high in practise during 2005

Maybe it's just the car.

**chunterer** · 11 Jan 2006, 10:23 (Ref:1499136)

Back to MS, in pre 2004 he was mighty quick as soon as he began testing, so it's not always a round of sand bagging and low fuel sponsor chasing.

He's already said he feels 'quite' confident about this year. Uh oh!!

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