Priory - 07

Stephen coyte · 12 Jul 2007, 17:19 (Ref:1961768)

I would like to say a big thank you to all the Marshals at this years GP. First class marshaling, great banter and a bloody good laugh

. How nice it was to see the whole post talking and exchanging views : Flag Marshals, Doctors and of course Fred our Observer. I would like to thank Mike who looked after my wardrobe, Ken for keeping me married, Dave for his witty comments and sprints through the gravel, James for not moaning (only joking). Chris, Neal, Gerald and Steve top blokes a pleasure to work with and last but not least Jason and Nick (JCB) who did a great job snatching. I would also like to say to the sod who put my wellington boots out with the bottles ....... I KNOW WHO YOU ARE

. Great weekend, cheers lads see you all very soon. Keep Safe Stephen coyte. IO

DarrellB · 12 Jul 2007, 21:05 (Ref:1961945)

Hi Steve, thought I would welcome you along and at least give you one reply so you didn't look too much like billy no mates

Stephen coyte · 12 Jul 2007, 21:19 (Ref:1961950)

Nice one Darrell ,billy is my middle name. LOL

Nighthawk · 12 Jul 2007, 22:06 (Ref:1961982)

Crossing a live circuit i take it is the done thing at silverstone. I must say i was surprised.
I was the Observer at Luffield in and was expecting my team to handle any incident on inside of Priory

Stephen coyte · 13 Jul 2007, 09:30 (Ref:1962227)

A very good call from the marshals at the incident The gap was long enough to clear the car to bridge inside.We know you were moaning but i have to say you need the Hubble telescope to see what we were doing you look after your part of the track and we will look after ours. THIS WAS A POST TO THANK MY TEAM FOR A GOOD WEEK END AND A JOB WELL DONE . We were at the incident not you, come and see me at the classic if you want to talk about it. Don't whinge on message boards

Stone-kicker · 13 Jul 2007, 09:50 (Ref:1962241)

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Crossing a live circuit i take it is the done thing at silverstone. I must say i was surprised.
I was the Observer at Luffield in and was expecting my team to handle any incident on inside of Priory

The incident was on the outside at Priory NOT the inside, the car was cleared to the inside as it was the quickest and safest way of dealing with it.
For the Luffield marshals to deal with it would have required them to cross 100 meters of exposed grass, the track to reach the car, back across the track with the car and finally the 100 meters of grass again.

We stick by our decision.

Thanks for your company and a good weekend Steve (have you thought about black wellies, they'd go better with the Silverstone overalls than the green ones!).

RIXGE · 13 Jul 2007, 16:05 (Ref:1962570)

Nice Mexican wave Steve, we all wondered whether you would salute the course car upon inspection!
We of course, had made our minds up to do the same

Cheers Rick. (Brooklands with Andy and Brave man AKA Mr Tiger !

Nighthawk · 13 Jul 2007, 17:26 (Ref:1962643)

OH DEAR Have i upset those who think they know better.
What a big head i've got..ooops
You stick by your actions and in some ways i will say well done to your team.
was it three you lost into the inside. with us.
I play by the rules that are there for a reason ok silverstone marshals do things a little different and are good at it..........

Stephen coyte · 13 Jul 2007, 19:58 (Ref:1962722)

yes it was three which still leaves five plus two came up from Brooklands.
Not a problem and on this occassion i/we do know better.

Nighthawk · 13 Jul 2007, 20:11 (Ref:1962729)

I accept on this occasion you did no better.
But sorry no one including god can see round corners you had no way of knowing what was coming through Bridge (ok big screen) and on that note i as Observer would not allow my team track side unless i had a safty car i know its not the best thing on F1 but then my team is the most important thing to consider.
I am not having a whinge or undermining your actions more an observation
We all do the same job and work together.
As for the weekend I thought your team worked well from what i saw.

Teletubby · 13 Jul 2007, 21:04 (Ref:1962755)

Nighthawk, if you were the Observer at Luffield why were you watching what was going on at Priory rather than your own sector?

jcbsrule · 13 Jul 2007, 21:33 (Ref:1962767)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

Crossing a live circuit i take it is the done thing at silverstone. I must say i was surprised.
I was the Observer at Luffield in and was expecting my team to handle any incident on inside of Priory

Crossing circuit is not the done thing BUT where were they going to push the car into the gravel or wrong direction towards the support pitlane
The lesser of the two evils was push across the circuit

Steve nice to do a event without anything major happening

Stephen coyte · 13 Jul 2007, 22:03 (Ref:1962783)

see you in few weeks mate.

http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp...p=ZSxdm155YYGB

**Woolley** · 13 Jul 2007, 22:36 (Ref:1962802)

This actually raises an interesting question. You have cars on the outside, but nowhere on the outside to push them. Is it better to use those on the outside to push them to the inside, and risk losing bodies on that side. Or do you go from the inside to cross the track twice, but finish in the right place?

I really don't have an answer to that, other than as marshals you have to work on instinct and experience and hope the end result is correct. More to the point, it highlights that circuit design does not necessarily consider the plight of those who man the margins. I suspect that in this case, there isn't really a correct answer. As long as everyone stayed safe, then result was worth the effort.

Nighthawk · 14 Jul 2007, 08:22 (Ref:1962914)

Teletubby as you know there are 2 observers on most posts. The Black x obs was watching our sector and manning the phone while i was walking around to check the team guys were all ok this is how i saw the incident.
Woolley makes good points and agree the point i was making is crossing a live circuit is wrong what ever the circumstance.

**Woolley** · 15 Jul 2007, 21:09 (Ref:1963887)

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Originally Posted by Nighthawk

crossing a live circuit is wrong what ever the circumstance.

I can't agree with that. Crossing with an extinguisher is an absolute no, but otherwise there are times where it is the best and safest way. I remember being on Redgate at Donington some years back, with 4 damaged cars in the edge of the gravel on the first lap. There was nowhere to put the cars on the oustide since there's a beach worth of gravel, and snatch was not in use for that meeting. 4 marshals had all of the cars cleared within the lap, 2 of them sent on their way and the other two on the grass on the inside before the field came out of Goddards. During that we crossed the track and back twice in perfect safety. It would not have been possible otherwise. Sometimes it is the right thing to do, but the decision has to be made carefully and with regard to marshal number should some get stranded on the other side.

Clive · 16 Jul 2007, 08:13 (Ref:1964158)

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Originally Posted by Woolley

I can't agree with that. Crossing with an extinguisher is an absolute no, but otherwise there are times where it is the best and safest way. .......... Sometimes it is the right thing to do, but the decision has to be made carefully and with regard to marshal number should some get stranded on the other side.

I agree with you on this, FWIW, and reinforce the proviso that it is carefully considered with the marshals' safety of paramount importance. Cars can be rebuilt.

TwoSheds · 16 Jul 2007, 13:13 (Ref:1964400)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen coyte

I would like to say a big thank you to all the Marshals at this years GP. First class marshaling, great banter and a bloody good laugh

. How nice it was to see the whole post talking and exchanging views : Flag Marshals, Doctors and of course Fred our Observer. I would like to thank Mike who looked after my wardrobe, Ken for keeping me married, Dave for his witty comments and sprints through the gravel, James for not moaning (only joking). Chris, Neal, Gerald and Steve top blokes a pleasure to work with and last but not least Jason and Nick (JCB) who did a great job snatching. I would also like to say to the sod who put my wellington boots out with the bottles ....... I KNOW WHO YOU ARE

. Great weekend, cheers lads see you all very soon. Keep Safe Stephen coyte. IO

Hi Steve. Was a good weekend. Tim 'TwoSheds' - one of the flaggies.

DarrellB · 16 Jul 2007, 13:30 (Ref:1964422)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

I accept on this occasion you did no better.
But sorry no one including god can see round corners you had no way of knowing what was coming through Bridge (ok big screen) and on that note i as Observer would not allow my team track side unless i had a safty car i know its not the best thing on F1 but then my team is the most important thing to consider.
I am not having a whinge or undermining your actions more an observation
We all do the same job and work together.
As for the weekend I thought your team worked well from what i saw.

Ahh but Steve had better than god, he had Pam on the radio who would have given him sufficient warning to allow his marshals to clear if there had been any danger.

deadsquirrel · 16 Jul 2007, 17:45 (Ref:1964950)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clive

I agree with you on this, FWIW, and reinforce the proviso that it is carefully considered with the marshals' safety of paramount importance. Cars can be rebuilt.

Yup, having worked the Cage at Donington yesterday, our I/O had briefed us should we need to deal with a 'cross' track incident, including our return path to post and to not leave the post undermanned.

IMHO, maybe this 'discussion' between two senior marshals would be better sorted behind closed doors, or in person at least?

Red Baron · 16 Jul 2007, 18:45 (Ref:1965003)

You're probably right d-squirrel, but in the mean time I feel the need to add my two penneth worth.....

I was on Rescue at Brooklands and I was very impressed with the way this incident was handled; in fact I have already singled it out in a previous post (Marshalling standards at the GP).

As far as I could see the car was towards the middle of the circuit. Steves team were closest and therefore best placed to deal with it and pushing it to the inside seemed (to me) the obvious thing to do. The team quite rightly cleared to the posts on the inside in order to be in a place of safety.

The IO from Brooklands sent a coupe of marshals up to Priory to assist Steve should he recevie any further customers during the race.

Honestly, it was really slick and professional. Well done all

I don't doubt that there are times when crossing the track is not advised but you can't madate that for all occasions.

In this instance and IMHO the guys from Priory did a grand job.

Rosie

sydney herbert · 16 Jul 2007, 20:37 (Ref:1965109)

Rosie. I have been watching this thread and you are correct the job had to be done in a short time zone it was and very smartly I hope this carping on will now stop, the team did a very good job and smartly. You Take Care. syd

**Stephen Green** · 16 Jul 2007, 21:00 (Ref:1965128)

Ok chaps (and chapesses) at the behest of the authors I am closing the thread. If you wish to carry on the discussion please do so using PM's.

Ta very much.......

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