Schumacher facing History !

**Bononi** · 13 May 2001, 23:43 (Ref:92093)

Is it finally happening ?

In Brazilian GP we saw JPM making his way through without concerning about TGF.

Today we saw this young driver leading, and clearly showing TGF is no big deal !

That's history happenning again ?

That happened in the past, Lauda x Piquet, Piquet x Prost, Prost x Senna, Senna x Schumacher...

Ok... that was not exactly like this... but these young fearless drivers were always out performing the current champions.

I think you get the spirit of the idea.

So, JPM and Ralfie, are the next step, and we TGF is facing history...

Any thoughts ?

renault110 · 14 May 2001, 00:16 (Ref:92097)

JPM isn't finally happening. His past speaks for itself and no one should be surprised at his remarkable talent.

Liz · 14 May 2001, 01:37 (Ref:92109)

That is why TGF finds it necessary to keep cheating and lying - because he knows that now he can't win any other way?

I think it is a sad and slippery slope for TGF to start sliding down so soon. Look at Mika, he is losing big time and he does not lose his cool or his dignity. TGF has lost both and he is beginning to look like what I always knew he was.

A prat.

neutral · 14 May 2001, 01:44 (Ref:92110)

"That is why TGF finds it necessary to keep cheating and lying - "

Liz, like most of your posts, about 10 years behind. Take a pill, drink some water and go to sleep. I promise, in no time you will be back to your beloved 1980's. Just dont wake up!!!!

JeremySmith · 14 May 2001, 02:05 (Ref:92116)

Smiling...

**Craig** · 14 May 2001, 04:27 (Ref:92141)

Chill out, Liz. Just sit back, relax, and watch the fun!

Yes, neutral, i'm a fan of the days when F1 was real racing too... and would dearly love for us to get right back there... modern F1 really is dire in comparison. BUT... with the right drivers, we might just be able to overcome the cars and see some good racing...

Fingers crossed.

Valve Bounce · 14 May 2001, 04:34 (Ref:92143)

JPM is the breath of fresh air that we have been waiting for in F1 for some time now. I'll run with Craig on this one.

GrAC3R · 14 May 2001, 04:56 (Ref:92145)

Ahh predictable Liz...we can always count on you to preach your anti schumi/conspiracy theories dribble. You seem to have real issues with F1 and Ferrari and i have to wonder why you even bother watching the "Farce" as you once so gently put it.
Please, get past your own ill tempered opinions/insults and see that you are coming across as imprudent and quite frankly extremely bitter as of late (no its not a personal attack, an observation if you will). I think most would know your feelings on the subject of MS, so must you really find it necessary to make such over the top comments in almost everyone of your recent "posts"?

Ok...Now back to the real subject at hand :
Montoya..Yes, he will no doubt be a great F1 driver, but he still has ample to prove before he reaches the status of those great racers you mentioned. Also, lets not overlook the other up and coming drivers out there...

Valve Bounce · 14 May 2001, 05:33 (Ref:92152)

Quote:

Originally posted by GrAC3R
Ahh predictable Liz...we can always count on you to preach your anti schumi/conspiracy theories dribble. You seem to have real issues with F1 and Ferrari and i have to wonder why you even bother watching the "Farce" as you once so gently put it.
Please, get past your own ill tempered opinions/insults and see that you are coming across as imprudent and quite frankly extremely bitter as of late (no its not a personal attack, an observation if you will). I think most would know your feelings on the subject of MS, so must you really find it necessary to make such over the top comments in almost everyone of your recent "posts"?

Ok...Now back to the real subject at hand :
Montoya..Yes, he will no doubt be a great F1 driver, but he still has ample to prove before he reaches the status of those great racers you mentioned. Also, lets not overlook the other up and coming drivers out there...

If you want to join this forum, one of the rules is that you attck the post, not the poster. For someone who has just joined this forum, you seem to be very familiar with Liz's posts.

Porsche_1 · 14 May 2001, 05:56 (Ref:92161)

Liz said……………

That is why TGF finds it necessary to keep cheating and lying - because he knows that now he can't win any other way?

The way you make it sound MS has not talent, and can not win anything without cheating ……… How can you really believe this? How often have you seen him cheat this year? Has he been winning? There is the problem with your incessant attacks on the man, they always live in the past and never in the now!!!

GrAC3R · 14 May 2001, 07:01 (Ref:92178)

Yes, i am quite familiar with the people's attitudes on this board and well i should be after reading it for a few months now, i have finally decided to join the discussion and i am aware of the rules, though I do thankyou for your concern Valve Bounce. I did not attack Liz on a personal level for that would be fruitless, i merely made observations regarding her present/previous posts.
So I really dont see the point of your reply......

laxman · 14 May 2001, 07:14 (Ref:92181)

again,
i didnt have time to read all the posts,so i will reply to the first one.
JPM is a good driver no doubt.But he is far from beatingf tgf at present.you have to remember taht jpm had brake problems.His car as as fast as ever down the straigths.Moreover Tgf did get the better of him in two laps.It was only because of jpm's immaturity(on f1)that they both went off teh track.So yes,Jpm will get there,but not at present.

**Bononi** · 14 May 2001, 09:21 (Ref:92202)

Yeah laxman.

But that's exactly what I'm saying. All those drivers I mentioned, spent quite sometime in the midfield before breaking into the victory and being great as they're known now.

Pick some: Senna entered F1 in 84, and his first WDC was 88. TGF entered in 91, to become champion in 94.

So...

neutral · 14 May 2001, 09:37 (Ref:92205)

Bonini, look back at the cars that Schumi and Senna started with and then look at what Montoya has been gifted with. Jacques got his first win after his first few races. Using your logic, JV would be the best driver in the world.

**Bononi** · 14 May 2001, 09:47 (Ref:92207)

No Neutral, there is no logical in that.

It's simple as it is, comparisions only apply to show that at some point in their careers, one of the greatests (let's say only the drivers with more than 2 WDC) faced the future one.

It's a cycle, just that.

I can be wrong, but then I could be right !

We'll see it in the next years.

[Please save this thread !!!]

Maxmil · 14 May 2001, 12:37 (Ref:92266)

I don't agree with all the words Liz used, but I agree totally that TGF presents the classic picture of an over-the-hill athlete trying by whatever means to hold on to the glory of yesteryear. He's not yet ready to acknowledge that others have come/are coming on the scene who will replace him as the leading driver. Along the way he does seem to have developed an attitude that says "I am the CHAMPION, make way for ME!!!" This will not deter his succesor(s) even in the short run, let alone the long. If DC beats him for the WDC this year, TGF should hire a good analyst. It will do him permanent psychic damage. I personally believe he is the second best driver in post 1950 Formula 1, but he is coming to the end of his dominance and will not likely accept it gracefully.

Wrex · 14 May 2001, 13:05 (Ref:92281)

What we are talking about here is inevitable. All the greats must retire, die or be beaten at some stage. Fangio is the only one I can think of that delayed all of these successfully for the most time.

JMP, this year, is not it

Tristan · 14 May 2001, 17:17 (Ref:92405)

Before we start, I'm attacking the posts, not the poster:

Liz, ALL your posts re: Schumi are GARBAGE!! (IMO, I might add. You're entitled to your opinion, I do not dispute that, BUT SO AM I, your post are all drivvel when it comes to TGF!! But hey, isn't the whole point of a forum is to discuss different opinions?? It's just me and Liz never agree, ever!!)

But hey, Liz, I wouldn't change a thing!

I find it good fun atch!!

BACK ON TOPIC: JPM is THE man. But he is by no means the best. YET. In time, it will be the Nick Heidfeld (in the mac) vs JPM (in the Ferrari or MAY BE Willybum) show!!!

But JPM in the red machines and I'll spuff my PANTS!!

R · 14 May 2001, 20:25 (Ref:92506)

Quote:

Originally posted by Maxmil
If DC beats him for the WDC this year, TGF should hire a good analyst. It will do him permanent psychic damage.

LOL!

Can't wait for it to happen!

**Bononi** · 14 May 2001, 21:52 (Ref:92557)

Quote:

Originally posted by Tristan
Before we start, I'm attacking the posts, not the poster:

Thanks Tristan.

I always liked to discuss with you. And I remember it can take pages !

I know you attacking Liz's post, and I like to say I only started this thread because I saw a glimpse of the past in the way it's happening this season.

I truly think he will still reign 3 years or more. He is a winner, a champion, a record breaker, and whatever happens nothing can take that. I don't want to talk about the way he does and carry his politics to win a WDC. The facts are there and it's useless be mad about it. This is Ferrari, and Ferrari means TGF (aka Schumacher), and that's all.

I only pointed to something that we all can say in a future time, "I remember when this young guy came and..."

Just like old fans around here, I am happy to see some new blood coming and shaking things around. I still can hear what the brazilian commentator said when he saw JPM leaving the race : "This boy rocks ! Whenever he's on the track we'll have a exciting race. That's what we all need !!"

So, let's hope for good fights between TGF and JPM !!!!!

Liz · 15 May 2001, 03:57 (Ref:92647)

Thanks, Tristan. Battling with you is fun!

And as for you other cranks, get over it. This isn't the "Lets All Line Up to Kiss TGF's Ring Club." But you're welcome to kiss anything of his you care to, for all of me.

I don't like unsportsmanlike conduct. And at the very least that is what he's showing the world. And I DO think he could win without cheating - so why won't he do it? Doesn't HE think he can win without forcing his teammates to hand him points?

Maybe he needs that analyst now?

downforce · 15 May 2001, 07:42 (Ref:92694)

He does accuse dumb...no doubt about it.

But lets get it straight, Ferrari dont think Rubens is capable of greater stuff.

I would have begun to take it seriously, if it were Juan or Jacques or Mika in the other Ferrari who were asked to move over...but not Rubens? NO way!

As for Michael winning (without cheating)...hmmm, guess people conveniently and hurriedly have forgotten the "pulverising-quartet" of finishes!!!Monza+Indy+Suzuka+Sepang'00!!!

he needs a score analyst...someone to keep track of his records!

neutral · 15 May 2001, 10:17 (Ref:92710)

"he needs a score analyst...someone to keep track of his records!"

HAHAHAHA!

laxman · 15 May 2001, 10:22 (Ref:92712)

Quote:

That is why TGF finds it necessary to keep cheating and lying - because he knows that now he can't win any other way?

I think it is a sad and slippery slope for TGF to start sliding down so soon. Look at Mika, he is losing big time and he does not lose his cool or his dignity. TGF has lost both and he is beginning to look like what I always knew he was.

A prat.

Well, he should have done a lot of that to achieve the success he has now.you may as well as call him the worlds biggest don(bigger than davoo ibrahim...or whatever his name is).
The fact is,in the first place,it was ferrari's decision to tell RB to let MS through.Why are you getting so mad at MS??
You should,if anything,praise him, because he has made ferrari feel that he is sitll the no 1 driver.
As for ferrari strategy,Hell! who are we to teach them what is right and what is wrong.We are not the guys spending hundreds of millions of dollars on every race.They have the right to ask their drivers to finish in whatever order they want!!

...or if you are reffering to some of the things he said in the press room...hell! give him a break.He is human not jesus christ!!

Blackjack21 · 15 May 2001, 16:03 (Ref:92837)

Laxman said "he's human not jesus christ". Tel him that he thinks he is!

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