Max Chilton @ India

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Was I the only one who saw his boneheaded idiocy on the replays coming through turn 2? Geido van der Garde was clearly to the left of him, with his front end in between Chilton (to the right) and Charles Pic (to the left). Chilton decided it would be great to turn sharp left, cutting the front end of VDG's Caterham off and ending his race.

From what I saw, the stewards didn't even investigate this incident. That was the most obvious offence of the race. It was by far and away the worst move anyone has pulled this season in my view - the only one rivalling it is Chilton again showing the world his talents and causing the Monaco GP to be red flagged. VDG couldn't move to the left due to Pic's car, and as a result had his race ended by a useless pay driver who's money has taken a seat that could have far more impressive potential champions such as Kevin Magnussen or Robin Frijns' names on it.

He's an absolute disgrace to F1 in my view, and, despite his recent run of form, his lack of eyes at Monaco and here at India have seriously got the raise a question here? Marussia must be glad that Max's dad can afford to fix the cars, considering the FIA's position with them.

Max Chilton is another case of a pathetic pay driver and all he's doing is ruining the image of Formula 1. If Formula 1 really cared about having driving talents, then they should agree to these cost cutting measures and then we'll have more talents without money than spoon-fed rich kids who turn motorsports into a joke. The pinnacle of motorsports? Max Chilton? It makes me sick...




...have a nice day

[Mr V]

Iirc, Brundle and Crofty said he had nowhere to go as he had a car on the other side of him?

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Iirc, Brundle and Crofty said he had nowhere to go as he had a car on the other side of him?

If you're talking about VDG, that is true. VDG had his nose cut off so perfectly and in such a sudden move that it made me think Chilton did it on purpose. I doubt Marussia would use these sorts of tactis to retain their 10th in the constructor standings, so I reckon it was a simple case of Chilton being <censored to retain the posters dignity>

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Iirc, Brundle and Crofty said he had nowhere to go as he had a car on the other side of him?

Those two always side with the British driver no matter what happens, they know who their audience is! In this case they were probably right, where did he have to go?

As far as the rant goes, I'll come down with Bella

"i don't know if chilton jnr stole your girlfriend or bullied you at primary school or something but you REALLY need to grow up, stop dodging the auto censor and return to expressing your opinion in a sensible fashion. "

We have seen much worse than Chilton, and he has had some good races.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by wnut

Those two always side with the British driver no matter what happens, they know who their audience is! In this case they were probably right, where did he have to go?

I don't agree. Yes, they broadcast to a British viewer, but also, the majority are enthusiasts who can see when MB and DC(roft) are calling it wrong.

[bella]

i don't know if chilton jnr stole your girlfriend or bullied you at primary school or something but you REALLY need to grow up, stop dodging the auto censor and return to expressing your opinion in a sensible fashion.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

I think you may need to review the footage, the replays showed that Chilton was on the inside of the three. He maintained his line off the apex, this pinched VDG. There was no sharp left turn.

[Mr V]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that Max is F1 standard, being outqualified by has team mate to the tune of 1.2 seconds isn't great for him. That said, with regards to yesterday, I don't see your point.

Most important part of your original post is this....

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

From what I saw,

From what you saw !

Now, given you obvious thoughts on him (edited) I think i'd go with Martin Brundles assessment, also, the fact that Charlie Whiting has multiple camera's at his disposal and didn't think it was worthy of a penalty, i'd take it as exactly that, a racing incident.

I certainly hope for young Chilton's case that your never a driver steward at any of his races

[steve_r]

Nothing more than 1st (actually 2nd) corner bunching "from what I saw".

Chilton may not be the next Alan Prost, but the abuse that the OP gives him is frankly ridiculous. He's brought the car home in front his teammate, despite this early skirmish.

[Moneyseeker]

I doubt he will be at Marussia next year anyway, it will be Bianchi and Magnusson in exchange for lots of free McLaren technical goodies. IMO

Question is will he and his 'investors' be able to secure another seat or maybe it will the old 3rd driver role.

[m355y]

Chilton, like Van Der Garde and Pic, has won GP2 races. Twenty years ago the "pathetic" pay-drivers hadn't even set foot on a podium to reach the summit let alone won races. Even in the mid 1990s that was true, remember some of the roll call of horror that used to frequent Simteks, Pacifics and Footworks back in those days. There's no comparison. Chilton might not be a potential champion and there are granted much more talented young drivers with less money who "should" be in those seats in an ideal world. It's not an ideal world though.

I don't think that crash was his finest moment, but it's hard to see here else he could have gone.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by m355y

Even in the mid 1990s that was true, remember some of the roll call of horror that used to frequent Simteks, Pacifics and Footworks back in those days. There's no comparison.

I seem to recall some pretty good drivers in those cars back then too, some with way, way better pedigree than a Max Chilton - and I'm not referring to the likes of Jean-Denis or Taki! It was even worse back then because the backmarkers cars were so far off the pace their drivers hadn't a hope in hell of impressing. Nowadays at least they can get within 3 or 4 seconds of the front runners?

[kipper]

Originally Posted by chunterer

I seem to recall some pretty good drivers in those cars back then too, some with way, way better pedigree than a Max Chilton - and I'm not referring to the likes of Jean-Denis or Taki!

That is undoubtedly the case (the likes of Christian Fittipaldi, Sandro Nannini and Roberto Moreno spring immediately to mind); however, it is fair to say that there were a number of drivers that could only dream of a CV akin to Chilton's.

[Peat]

Wow. Interesting viewpoint OP....

Have you ever raced? (or even watched another race before?) There is a certain jeopardy in having your nose on the outside rear of another on the exit of a corner. Duh.

[csirl]

Chilton is probably the worst driver in F1 for at least a decade. His performance this year has been terrible. And its not just because he's in the worst car - he's way off the pace of his team mate.

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by csirl

Chilton is probably the worst driver in F1 for at least a decade. His performance this year has been terrible. And its not just because he's in the worst car - he's way off the pace of his team mate.

Really? The worst in at least a decade? Really?
Wow, some people really do have dodgy memories...

And what is your definition for 'terrible'? sure he hasn't been fast, but he's been close to his teammate more often than not, and has beaten him as recently as the last race. Plus, Chilton is the only driver to finish every race this season.
Hardly terrible.

[csirl]

Originally Posted by Hawkwood

Really? The worst in at least a decade? Really?
Wow, some people really do have dodgy memories...

And what is your definition for 'terrible'? sure he hasn't been fast, but he's been close to his teammate more often than not, and has beaten him as recently as the last race. Plus, Chilton is the only driver to finish every race this season.
Hardly terrible.

He has been way off the pace in races in comparison with his team mate. You can see that Bianchi has some potential even though he's in the same car.

*ahem* Yuji Ide?

Ide has a 13th place finish in a F1 race, and with only 4 starts. Chilton hasnt finished this high in 16 starts. Using the F1 Championship drivers rankings, this would place Ide ahead of Chilton.

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by csirl

Ide has a 13th place finish in a F1 race, and with only 4 starts. Chilton hasnt finished this high in 16 starts. Using the F1 Championship drivers rankings, this would place Ide ahead of Chilton.

13th, and last. Talk about meaningless statistics.

I would have finished 14th in that race in my old Ford Capri.

[pauln]

Originally Posted by csirl

Chilton is probably the worst driver in F1 for at least a decade.

*ahem* Yuji Ide?

[jobdone]

Originally Posted by pauln

*ahem* Yuji Ide?

Beat me to it!

I actually think Chilton has improved as the year has gone on, and deserves a second season.

[bella]

except he isn't "way" off the pace of his teammate, that's the worrying/surprising/interesting thing about it. he's actually pretty close. he's not matching or beating bianchi, but he's pretty close. far closer than some on this thread are implying anyway.

"way" off is depending on the circuit, 7 tenths to a second a lap in qualifying, imo.

[garcon]

He beat him in India...

[m355y]

I dunno what people have against the Chiltons really. Yeah they're a bit Made in Chelsea with their fake tan and sonic the hedgehog hair, yes Tom appeared on Take Me Out instantly ruining his credibility in the eyes of some, yes daddy has lots of money and has managed to get his boys into drives their talent alone probably hasn't warranted, but there are far worse CV's out there. Max has won GP2 races and finished fourth in the championship, ahead of James Calado who everyone sees as the 'real talent'. Tom has won BTCC and WTCC races. Good on them both.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by m355y

I dunno what people have against the Chiltons really. Yeah they're a bit Made in Chelsea with their fake tan and sonic the hedgehog hair, yes Tom appeared on Take Me Out instantly ruining his credibility in the eyes of some, yes daddy has lots of money and has managed to get his boys into drives their talent alone probably hasn't warranted, but there are far worse CV's out there. Max has won GP2 races and finished fourth in the championship, ahead of James Calado who everyone sees as the 'real talent'. Tom has won BTCC and WTCC races. Good on them both.

I think people have stopped thinking that James Calado is the real talent.

[bella]

yep, well said.

you can resent their privilege and lifestyle all you want, but in the end they're talented guys and they're doing a good job with what they have. they've been lucky enough to have every single possible opportunity, and perhaps they do represent some very unfortunate things about modern day society, but taking all that away they're a pair of guys who are having pretty successful racing careers.

it does indeed make you wonder what other drivers would be capable of if they were in the same situation, but hey. that's life isn't it.