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Old 11 May 2003, 13:44 (Ref:596062)   #1
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Average Qualif Positions after Spain

Friday and Saturday average qualif positions (as Wrex "ordered" ). First column is average corrected by dropping the best and the worst position of each driver. Second column is the simple average.

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Friday
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Barrichello   2          2           
M.Schumacher  2          2.4         
Raikkonen     5          5           
Button        6.67       9           
Coulthard     6.67       6.6         
Villeneuve    8.67       8.8         
Panis         8.67       9.2         
Trulli        9          9           
Webber        9          8.8         
Montoya       9.33       9.6         
Alonso        9.67       9.8         
daMatta      11         11          
Frentzen     11         11.4        
R.Schumacher 12.33      11.2        
Fisichella   13.33      13.2        
Heidfeld     14         13.2        
Pizzonia     15.67      15          
Firman       17.33      17.4        
Verstappen   18.33      17.8        
Wilson       19.67      19.6        
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Saturday
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M.Schumacher  1.67       2.6         
Barrichello   2.33       2.6         
Alonso        7          6.4         
Montoya       7          6.6         
Trulli        7          7.8         
R.Schumacher  7.33       8.2         
Coulthard     7.67       7.4         
Button        8.67       8.4         
Panis         8.67       9.2         
Raikkonen     9.33      10.4        
Villeneuve   10          9.8         
Heidfeld     10         10          
Webber       10.33      10          
Frentzen     12.33      11          
daMatta      14         14.2        
Fisichella   14.67      13.8        
Pizzonia     16         16.2        
Firman       17.33      17.4        
Wilson       18.67      18.8        
Verstappen   19.33      19.2        
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Using Friday data:
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Tema mates diff: 
MS = RB     0
JT = FA     0.67
JVR >= JW   1.33
KR >= DC    1.67
JB >= JVL   2
OP >= CM    2.33
JPM >= RS   3
HHF >= NF   3
GF > RF     4
MW >> AP    6.67

Teams total
Ferrari   4
McLaren  11.67
BAR      15.33
Renault  18.67
Toyota   19.67
Williams 21.67
Jaguar   24.67
Sauber   25
Jordan   31
Minardi  38


I think Friday data is not representing the real pace of cars as accurately as past year's qualifying sessions (and neither Saturday's does it). In fact Friday's Q is not extremely important to achieve a grid position. But at least in Friday we could expect no different "strategies" about fuel amount.

I cannot believe BAR is the third quicker car , but appart from that, the order is not so surprising (except IMO Renault maybe is quicker than showed here)
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Old 11 May 2003, 14:37 (Ref:596072)   #2
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Wow. BAR has been jiggling along on fridays... Maybe that's why JV is SO frustrated ?_? He knows if only he could finish he'd be getting some regular points because the car's got it in it.

Very interesting and somewhat relevant data. When you compare it to actual points standings, it's surprising. Nifty. Cheers Schummy!
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Old 11 May 2003, 14:53 (Ref:596081)   #3
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That makes pretty sobering reading for Williams, they wouldn't've expected to be this far behind. Either the BAR is especially good on low fuel, or they have some amazing potential once the reliability problems JV has had are fixed. Jos will be embarassed to be slower than Wilson overall.
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Old 12 May 2003, 12:47 (Ref:596867)   #4
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Cheers mate, great work


But (there is always a but) what I was after was something I think was done at Forix.

It went something like this:

Driver name - average qualifying time - % from pole

M. Schumacher 1:27.123 0.000%
R. Bariichello 1:27.923 0.009%
etc etc etc

Average calculated buy adding all Friday times together and dividing them by number of races. And same for Sat.

Cheers mate - keep up the good work.
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Great stuff again. There is less difference between some of the team mates than I thought.
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Yep the BAR is quick...JV just needs his reliability!
Thx Schummy!
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I think last year or two years ago I put here average qualif dif times from pole. But with this new format, and with "many" people doing more or less average diffs, I currently prefer this average position thing

But one never knows when one is "boring with numbers", maybe I do it someday
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With Jacques changing tactics to get better Saturday times the BAR picture might change a little. Don't know what he's going to do about the Friday situation...
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