TV rights : Fox pays $120 mil for soccer, whats in it for Supercar? - Page 3

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 06:57 (Ref:1592474)

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I guess the final say on soccer is - how many drivers are there (including F1) tat are able to command, and get, multi million dollar salaries for playing in their chosen sport? You only have to look at the european and UK soccer/football leagues to realise that motor racing really is an extremely small fish.

But we are talking about Australia, not Europe. In the US, Baseballer and NFL players make more than NASCAR drivers, but all three are pretty irrelevant to the Australian scene.

storyline · 23 Apr 2006, 07:20 (Ref:1592484)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

The TV rights issue got more interesting with Fox paying $120 mil for seven (7) years for what seems to be the A League & the proposed expansion into Asia.

Read again Mr. Ryan - soccer is a universal sport and FoxSport can carry it into other markets very easily.

V8 racin gis a unique Australian dinosaur approach to motor racing that simply has not taken off anywhere else except this region of the world.

chavez · 23 Apr 2006, 07:37 (Ref:1592495)

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Originally Posted by storyline

A full dance card - which is obviously so great that the scheduled Race 1 on Melb TV didn't eventuate at the advertised time (anyone know when/if it was actually on?).

10:30pm after the AFL

storyline · 23 Apr 2006, 08:09 (Ref:1592520)

Bugger - so they swapped them around - no wonder the tape is full of nothing but jacks and queens!

pete55 · 23 Apr 2006, 08:18 (Ref:1592526)

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Originally Posted by storyline

V8 racin gis a unique Australian dinosaur approach to motor racing that simply has not taken off anywhere else except this region of the world.

Just as NASCAR is to the US.

storyline · 23 Apr 2006, 08:23 (Ref:1592532)

With one notable difference - crowds.

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 09:00 (Ref:1592556)

storyline and Pete 55 you may have your concept, what V8Supercar is doing overseas, but the arguement is, what is impact of Soccer here? How many in Australia would pay to watch Soccer here?. The crowds are miserable, the ratings tiny. Otherwise every network would be fighting over the A-League to show it free to air.

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 09:03 (Ref:1592557)

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Read again Mr. Ryan - soccer is a universal sport and FoxSport can carry it into other markets very easily.

Again who would want to see Australian Soccer overseas? Let us be realistic. Even we cannot be bothered. Australia is a perennial minnow, in World Soccer and the surprising thing few people care despite the hype, whether we get into the World Cup or not.

pete55 · 23 Apr 2006, 09:11 (Ref:1592565)

The World Cup qualifying match last year rated rather well for SBS, so much so that it was it's highest rating program ever and although i don't recall what the figures were they were quite large.

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 09:17 (Ref:1592571)

Pete 55, the best ratings? SBS does not have ratings? It is a innovative station, but little penetration in the market(Sad really, as in my opinion it is much better than the ABC)
Not too long ago , 2002. Soccer Australia was a total basket case. Excerpt
from a SMH article:
"The Federal Government is set to launch an inquiry into the running of Australian soccer, a move almost certain to cause the postponement of next month's Soccer Australia elections.

The inquiry will be announced within the next week, and will be managed by the Australian Sports Commission. It is believed the ASC has told Soccer Australia future funding will be tied to the results of the inquiry, which is expected to have wide terms of reference but will focus primarily on a possible reform of Soccer Australia's constitution.

The Prime Minister, John Howard, has already given his blessing to the inquiry, as evidenced by his statements earlier this week that Soccer Australia needed to resolve some "administrative challenges" before it could consider bidding to host the World Cup."
So it goes on: Gus Hinnick, the coach that did so much for the Socceroos(Loserroos)
last week was signed up as the Russian Coach. The Sport just lurches from disaster to disaster.

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 09:29 (Ref:1592577)

But even the fundamental problems of the game cannot be hidden by the $120 million Foxtel deal.
From the Adelaide Advertiser 21/4/2006.

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The A-League clubs, carrying crippling and ultimately unsustainable
losses from the first season, could receive up to $10m each, immediately
paying the vast bulk of the players' wages.

inpitlane · 23 Apr 2006, 10:58 (Ref:1592636)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Pete 55, the best ratings? SBS does not have ratings? It is a innovative station, but little penetration in the market(Sad really, as in my opinion it is much better than the ABC)

SBS definately does have ratings,they are a part of the OzTam survey as much as anybody and with shows like South Park and Major Soccer Internationals the do pretty well.
The match that got Australia into the World Cup was one of the best National TV audiences all last year. SBS don't get Seven and Nine type numbers but they do pretty well and if Australia does well in Germany then Foxsports gamble might just pay off.
As for what this means for V8s the price VESA gets for the series will depend on how much TEN wants to keep it and if Nine are indeed interested.
Personaly I think the V8s would be a great mix with Nine as Nine, through ACP publish so may Motoring related publications including Auto Action, Unique Cars, Wheels, Motor and the Carpoint.com and Carsales.com websites. Ideal cross promotional material.

D.R.T. · 23 Apr 2006, 12:18 (Ref:1592682)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

but the arguement is, what is impact of Soccer here? How many in Australia would pay to watch Soccer here?. The crowds are miserable, the ratings tiny.

The A League built momentum throughout its first season. Robert, they got 44 000 to the Grand Final and many, many were left without tickets, so I dont see how crowds were miserable. Some teams did struggle fir crowds, but across the board there was a direct improvement over the NSL.

What this has to do with v8's now, I am not sure.

Head Rev · 23 Apr 2006, 12:40 (Ref:1592687)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Pete 55, the best ratings? SBS does not have ratings? It is a innovative station, but little penetration in the market

Say what!! last time I looked they had ratings. Think you should also check out the crowd numbers for the A-Leagues past season - and I'm not a soccer fan at all, find the game boring - But you can't ignore the facts.

storyline · 23 Apr 2006, 13:45 (Ref:1592723)

Head Rev - yes he can!

And re those stats - haven't fogotten..

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 20:59 (Ref:1593135)

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[SBS don't get Seven and Nine type numbers but they do pretty well and if Australia does well in Germany then

The ratings are low.Yes it does not get anywhere those type of Ratings of 9,7 10 and unfortunately 2 beats it in the ratings.. The fact that Soccer got a $120 million deal, instead of the $1 Billion combined deal of League and the AFL, says where it really stands in the ratings stakes..nowhere.

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The A-League clubs, carrying crippling and ultimately unsustainable
losses from the first season

May I remind you...the game has massive problems.

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 21:01 (Ref:1593140)

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But you can't ignore the facts

Ahem..what facts? or statistics? They are?

Robert Ryan · 23 Apr 2006, 21:02 (Ref:1593142)

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What this has to do with v8's now, I am not sure.

DRT see subject of the thread

Chris - Melb · 24 Apr 2006, 00:07 (Ref:1593304)

I presume the FoxSport deal means no free to air coverage of Soccer at all?

It would have to be hard to grow a sport when it is stuck on pay TV. I barely know anyone who has pay TV.

To me, the deal seems like a big risk for both FoxSports and Soccer.

Especially with people slowly discovering the joys of digital free to air television and especially 'Personal Video Recorders'. PVR's makes recording programs so easy that there are not enough hours in the day to watch it all !

I am sure V8 Supercar is tempted by pay television deals, but they are also aware of the downfalls. Also, I imagine it would be hard to do a really good deal with just a dozen or so V8 Supercar meetings a year.

Soccer offers programming a week in, week out.

V8 Supercar needs to decrease running costs so they can run more frequently, despite the top teams not wanting to lose a competitive advantage. V8 Supercar is still barely a blip on the sporting radar.

Head Rev · 24 Apr 2006, 00:29 (Ref:1593314)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Ahem..what facts? or statistics? They are?

Crowds have inceased this year - or so the attendance figures show and the fact that they have just signed a multi million dollar deal - something must be happening. And to say that the game has massive problems, maybe you can elaborate on that, not sure what they are - they certainly have been addressing issues with the new managment team in charge, and I'm sure there are still problems, but with John O'neil in charge aren't things changing?

Again i can't ignore the fact that they have just signed a huge TV deal - obviously Foxsports know something we don't.

And even if they did / do have "Massive Problems" doesn't say they can't fix them. I thought Touring Cars were just about dead 15 yrs ago with small fields etc but look where they are now and look at the TV covergae compared with 15 yrs ago!!! (More fuel to the fire I guess)

peckstar · 24 Apr 2006, 01:03 (Ref:1593327)

i am under the impression that the v8s are already getting a similar deal to this.

the next tv rights will be woth around 100 mill for 5 years. and thats on free to air

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 01:22 (Ref:1593333)

Head Rev, Australian Soccer still wants to fight past European Wars in the spectator area, using thinly disguised ethnic clubs followers, as combatants. It's whole ethos is alien to Australian values. The game seems secondary to the confrontation between different ethnic groups.
John Oneill, has bitten off more than he can chew.
It is endemic part of the game:

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SOCCER By Peter Jean and Nick Ralston

SYDNEY, May 4 , 2005 AAP - Courts will be able to ban violent spectators from NSW sporting events for up to 10 years in the wake of ugly crowd scenes between two ethnically-opposed Sydney soccer clubs.

The NSW government announced plans for the bans after an independent inquiry's report was tabled in parliament today.

Soccer NSW responded to the report into fan violence on March 13 by suspending the home team, Croatian-supported Sydney United, for four matches, ruling it out of the the NSW Premier League finals.

It has also deferred Serbian-backed Bonnyrigg White Eagles' matches over the next two weeks while it considers the club's role in more violence when the clubs met again last Saturday at neutral Parramatta Stadium

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Crack down on ethnic rivalries to end violence
MICHAEL LYNCH
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23 August 2005
The Age
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© 2005 Copyright John Fairfax Holdings Limited. www.theage.com.au Not available for re-distribution.
THE FINAL WORD

FOOTBALL Federation Victoria chief Tony Pignata's pledge yesterday to crackdown on the mindless morons who regularly blacken the name of soccer in this state is welcome, if not years too late.

Pignata cannot be blamed for that as he has taken on the job of running the game in Victoria only in the past year

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Firebomb, shots fuel soccer violence
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16 March 2005
03:53 AM
Organisation of Asia-Pacific News Agencies
English
© Copyright 2005. OANA. All rights reserved.
Violence between supporters of two rival Sydney soccer clubs escalated to firebombs and gunshots.

The latest incidents could lead to life bans for offenders, or empty stadiums when the ethnically-based clubs meet again

Head Rev · 24 Apr 2006, 01:58 (Ref:1593351)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Head Rev, Australian Soccer still wants to fight past European Wars in the spectator area, using thinly disguised ethnic clubs followers, as combatants. It's whole ethos is alien to Australian values. The game seems secondary to the confrontation between different ethnic groups.
John Oneill, has bitten off more than he can chew.
It is endemic part of the game:

Thanks for the info, but I noticed that all these reports (might I add, you have done some excellent research) are all before A-League started. Again, I have been under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that this type of ethnic fighting has been reduced with the commencement of A-League.

PVDA · 24 Apr 2006, 02:46 (Ref:1593361)

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Originally Posted by storyline

With the permission of CofC each time I trust?

The camera mounting method is supposed to be checked during scrutineering so yes they should be approved.

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 03:51 (Ref:1593388)

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Again, I have been under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that this type of ethnic fighting has been reduced with the commencement of A-League.

Wish that was true...The same Serbian-Croat thing flawed up about a month ago here

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